spineless

[Michael Rolls]

that's our government. They intend to recognise a Palestinian state in September unless Israel agree to conditions unstipulated including a cease-fire. In other we are rewarding the Hamas murderers. Thank heaven these cowards weren't in power in 1939. I mean - how's your German?

[klondike]

They can recognise what they want. The question is what difference does it make in the real world. I suspect the answer is precious little. The days of anybody caring what we think or do are gone.

[Alex]

It was probably decided when Macron was here, this lot always follow on the French coat-tails.

[JBR]

It was probably decided when Macron was here, this lot always follow on the French coat-tails.

TwoTier certainly does.  I have no doubt that he has absolutely no idea what to do, and that is demonstrated by all of his decisions as PM.  He is so weak that he needs some sort of advice, and the advice he receives from Micron is quite predictable.

[ansu]

I seem there's a misunderstanding. 
As to Starmer - as per our papers he said that a palestinean state without the Hamas, i.e. do you think that all Palestineans are Hamas fans - I think that a lot of people like you and me are living there and only praying for peace. 
As to Germany - Germans are in a Catch-22 (Zwickmühle), what happened during the Third Reich is unforgiveable - I visited Yad Vashem in Israel and I can understand Israel, but when I was in Israel the guide always spoke of two independent states, i.e. Israel and Palestina.
How do you think that this problem can be solved in another way?

[JBR]

I seem there's a misunderstanding.
As to Starmer - as per our papers he said that a palestinean state without the Hamas, i.e. do you think that all Palestineans are Hamas fans - I think that a lot of people like you and me are living there and only praying for peace.
As to Germany - Germans are in a Catch-22 (Zwickmühle), what happened during the Third Reich is unforgiveable - I visited Yad Vashem in Israel and I can understand Israel, but when I was in Israel the guide always spoke of two independent states, i.e. Israel and Palestina.
How do you think that this problem can be solved in another way?

I hadn't heard that he actually said those words.  A Palestinian state in Gaza without the Hamas terrorist organisation would be good for everyone, but achieving that is not going to be easy.  It is also a difficult thing to make distinction between the Gazan people who support Hamas and those who do not.  I'm sure that Israel would be happy to remove Hamas if they could determine exactly which people are members of Hamas and which are against them.  I think that therein lies the real problem.

As for TwoTier recognising Gaza as a new Palestine, I'm sure that nobody in this country (apart from perhaps some of his own MPs) has any interest in what he says, because he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about anyway!

[Dextrous63]

Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I'm sure a saw an article in the telegraph about other Arab nations have called for Hamas to disband and give up their arms, which is a new development.  If true, then it's curious that it's not big headline news on the Beeb nor ITV🤷🏻�♂️

[JBR]

Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I'm sure a saw an article in the telegraph about other Arab nations have called for Hamas to disband and give up their arms, which is a new development.  If true, then it's curious that it's not big headline news on the Beeb nor ITV🤷🏻�♂️

The BBC is strongly left-wing biased; ITV are becoming amateurs.

I put my trust in GB News and The Telegraph.

[klondike]

My view is that the Israeli army are already trying to achieve an Hamas free Gaza. I doubt they will be able to achieve it and if they can't then why would anybody think that Starmer could?

Without Hamas or any successors (ie Hamas with a different name) then maybe Gaza could be part of a wider Palestinian state but it is certainly far too small to be the Palestinian state

[muddy]

The glaring fact is that Hamas / the Palestinians don't want a two state solution .
They never had else they would have one by now .
They want a one state solution .
They want the destruction of Israel .

[Michael Rolls]

Exactly

[ansu]

I am not sure whether you are right in this respect. When I was in Israel our guide told us that the problem regarding a Palestinean state is that in this case in a part (close to Gaza) the territory of Israel would be very narrow. 
When I was there no Israelian guide was allowed to visit Gaza, because the Israelian authorities feared that the guide would be kidnapped.

[Alex]

I am not sure whether you are right in this respect. When I was in Israel our guide told us that the problem regarding a Palestinean state is that in this case in a part (close to Gaza) the territory of Israel would be very narrow.
When I was there no Israelian guide was allowed to visit Gaza, because the Israelian authorities feared that the guide would be kidnapped.

Imagine living in fear like that !

[klondike]

Wasn't Trump talking about developing Gaza into a tourist resort recently? Mind you he talks so much BS he'll be putting a Trump Tower in Tower Hamlets next week and parting the Atlantic the one after to build a 10 lane motorway to take all his new trade with Europe.

[Dextrous63]

Who knows what goes on in Trump's mind (he probably doesn't, so what chance the rest of us?)

Maybe he was kinda hinting that if they so desired it, Gaza could become a profitable and desirable venture.  Naturally, this would necessitate not chucking bombs nor indeed launching terrorist attacks on adjacent states, who will naturally retaliate.