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JBR

Quote from: dextrous63 on September 23, 2024, 09:15:04 PM"Possibly" is a key word there.  The book also states that some fella came down a hill with some commandments written out on stone by god, and the fella also parted the Red Sea.  Amongst other equally as ludicrous claims.

Just how much of that book should one take seriously as an accurate account?

However, my understanding is that there is historic evidence that the Jews have been living within the lands of Israel for a very long time and have a good a claim (and in many ways a stronger one) to call the place their homeland.
Perhaps I should restate that I am not religious in any way and don't believe much of what is written in the Bible, certainly not the more 'supernatural' events.

However, with regard to the origin of the Judaic people and their mass movements to relative safety, I am pretty sure that such things are perfectly believable. 
Numquam credere Gallicum

dextrous63

Quite probably an element of truth about it, but also quite possibly overstated.

Anyway, we're pretty much agreed on this anyway.  👍

klondike

At least the housing crisis "up there" must be over these days.

Ashy

I believe they do a lot of recycling. Anyways I 'm coming back as a cat.

ansu

As far as I know it was considered to choose a place in Africa for settling down the Jews ( the Uganda Scheme). Settling them down in a part of Germany, as you propose, would have been rather cruel for them and I hope that's English humour - sorry. 



Diasi

Quote from: klondike on September 23, 2024, 11:18:35 AMI'm assuming the Jews were given a home to call their own by the allies post WW2 partly in compensation for the holocaust. I won't suggest another possible reason that occurred to me. Regardless of any historic homeland it seems to have been rather a mistake to put them slap bang in the middle of the place on earth probably most hostile to them. Why not a chunk of Germany or somewhere else in Europe? Or just about anywhere else in the world.
It's exactly the same as what happened when India & Pakistan were created by partitioning.

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JBR

Quote from: Diasi on September 28, 2024, 11:27:31 AMIt's exactly the same as what happened when India & Pakistan were created by partitioning.


It is indeed, and both the partitioning and the creation of a homeland for the Jews all boils down to religion, that form of beliefs which has divided people for as long as people have existed.

That is one reason why I, though brought up as a Christian, have seen the light.  It is not only common sense, but also simple logic, that gods do not exist other than in people's minds.  Religion is the great divider of the world.

(Oh, I do hope that there are no real believers here!)
Numquam credere Gallicum

Vlad

"The world is divided into men who have wit and no religion and men who have religion and no wit."
Avicenna 980 CE – 1037 CE Ibn Rushd Persian Polymath
"I am in awe of myself. I never know what I will write next."

dextrous63

I suspect that God didn't feel we were taking him seriously enough several millennia ago, and has long since done a flounce.

Just had a cuppa and made a few notes about it..