American woman survives euthanasia

[Dextrous63]

Well it didn't used to be like that on here !

I know.  The sooner it can return to general pleasantries with the occasional respectful discussions/debates, the better imho.

Many of us inhabit other forums in common where, er, "robust" things go on.  No real need to replicate stuff onto this place of friendly sanctuary, or at least not on such a frequent and seemingly obsessive bases. IMHO 🙂

[Alex]

I wonder what's changed ?

[Dextrous63]

I wonder what's changed ?

That's the burning question.  Which brings us loosely back to topic.... burning at the stake.  Doubtful that too many made a comeback after that.

[morty]

I wonder what's changed ?

Don't worry about it Alex. It's already been brought to my attention.
I'm sure it'll soon return to the usual general pleasantries. 

[muddy]

Absolutely.  The Yanks may see hanging barbaric, but from what I know of the 'modern' British method of hanging, it results in immediate death by instantly removing any neural connection of the brain and the body, by snapping the top of the cervical vertebrae.

I suppose that if a person was hanged incorrectly, they could suffer a slow death by asphyxia.

Perhaps an expert might suggest that it would take a certain time for the person (correctly) hanged to actually realise that they have died?

I think it had to be a real expert like Pierrepoint who took great pains ( no pun intended ) to make sure his clients were dispatched humanely .
He calculated the weight needed to make death almost instant .
 

[Dextrous63]

Think it was the drop length rather than the weight 🤷🏻�♂️

[muddy]

Yes,  I think that trying a third time would have been the answer, rather than sending her to hospital to be made better before they try again!

I have heard nothing about why the drug didn't even work after two attempts though.

This was probably the case of an incompetent doctor who couldn't find the vein so the euthanasia was going into the tissue instead of the bloodstream .
It still would have killed her eventually .

[klondike]

I saw a documentary on Pierpoint. It went further than just getting the mechanics right. There was a concealed or at least not obvious door from the condemned cell to the gallows trapdoor. Speed was the order of the execution day. From wakening to dangling was typically 13 seconds iirc from that program. It sounded convincing but obviously could have been total BS.

[Scrumpy]

With the added advantage of being able to charge the aforementioned hunters with murder, and continue the cycle.

Brilliant idea.. 

[muddy]

In June 2026, Pike challenged the execution protocol, alleging that the state could not guarantee a constitutionally compliant execution. She argued that her thrombocytosis would complicate IV placement and increase her risk of suffering, and that an all‑male execution team would force her to relive past sexual assault trauma.[50]

The authorities obviously dismissed her fears.

Should think so too.

[JBR]

I think it had to be a real expert like Pierrepoint who took great pains ( no pun intended ) to make sure his clients were dispatched humanely .
He calculated the weight needed to make death almost instant .
 

I believe so.  I remember reading an article, or it might have been a book, about him and his professionalism.  He had, apparently, done his homework thoroughly and was indeed a professional hangman.
If I should ever receive such a death sentence, that is the method I would certainly choose given the chance!

Talking of which, I wonder whether hanging may eventually come back into use in the UK.  Crime is apparently becoming more common recently, and a serious deterrent (other than a couple of days in jail) would, I am sure, help to reduce such crimes as we now hear of.

[muddy]

It would also reduce the prison population .
Why we keep heinous proven murderers alive for the next five decades in many cases is madness .
Where i in charge of prisons eg the Lee Rigby killers or the Southport murdered of those little girls .
All heinous proven murderers would be humanely euthanised .
I would attach the syringes to a button outside the prison so that any member of the public's could press to start the fatal dose .
In fact several buttons so that no one would know who had finished off these useless burdens on society .
Would free up no end of space and reduce the financial burden in the taxpayers  ( which include the victims families ) 

[Ashy]

I would support bringing back hanging. There are far too many murders and serious crimes being committed in our country. It's more humane than keeping a person locked up for yeas and years; if we let them out they often do it again. Although hanging was de facto abolished in England in 1957. it could not be restored whilst under the EU rule. Margaret Thatcher offered it to parliament (she advocated it) but they voted it down.

Death by hanging is not instantaneous. Neither a broken neck nor asphyxiation causes immediate death. A hanged man dies from asphyxiation in about four or five minutes. As far as I know, not having tried it.

When they hanged Saddam they put silk in the noose so it wouldn't graze him.

[Mups]

I believe so.  I remember reading an article, or it might have been a book, about him and his professionalism.  He had, apparently, done his homework thoroughly and was indeed a professional hangman.
If I should ever receive such a death sentence, that is the method I would certainly choose given the chance!

Talking of which, I wonder whether hanging may eventually come back into use in the UK.  Crime is apparently becoming more common recently, and a serious deterrent (other than a couple of days in jail) would, I am sure, help to reduce such crimes as we now hear of

I still don't like the thought of hanging,  it seems so medieval somehow,  might as well go back to beheading,  that should be quick enough!

While I do agree with the death sentence for the worst crimes,    I still feel euthanasia by injection is most appropriate - BUT,  only when the drugs have first been checked for content, and then only in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing!

[muddy]

I do too Mups hanging is brutal .
A lethal injection  is best done by someone perhaps not a doctor ( who must be going against his own Hippocratic oath if they still have such a thing ) who is trained to do it .

A vet could train people .
The idea is it is humane  ( often far more humanity than they showed their victims ) 
First comes sedation .
So they are asleep .
And them they get an injection of phenobarbital   which will stop the brain and after that the heart .

Obviously it's not always that easy ( drug addicts have poor veins )
But it's must be remembered these are murderers who had no pity for their victims .
They have taken life and there is really only one punishment that fits the crime .