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[ansu]

Interesting discussion. I suppose that you thought that after Brexit you are able to control who enters your country, but reality is with all these wars and crisis the number of migrants will constantly grow and no one can prevent people for looking for a better life. 
In 1946 my family came as refugees to Germany, we got little support - not possible due to the huge number of refugees at that time. We got a room in a house in a hamlet on top of a mountain, my mother helped the farmers and my father found a job in a quarry. True, we didn't come voluntarily to Germany. However, despite of this life was better for us there than living on the street in our motherland. 
Probably this applies also to many of the migrants today. I don't know, I am no expert, but when I watch the news on TV I notice that there are much too many wars and crisis around the world. 

[JBR]

Interesting discussion. I suppose that you thought that after Brexit you are able to control who enters your country, but reality is with all these wars and crisis the number of migrants will constantly grow and no one can prevent people for looking for a better life.
In 1946 my family came as refugees to Germany, we got little support - not possible due to the huge number of refugees at that time. We got a room in a house in a hamlet on top of a mountain, my mother helped the farmers and my father found a job in a quarry. True, we didn't come voluntarily to Germany. However, despite of this life was better for us there than living on the street in our motherland.
Probably this applies also to many of the migrants today. I don't know, I am no expert, but when I watch the news on TV I notice that there are much too many wars and crisis around the world.

I'd hazard a guess that you and your family have been an asset to Germany, and I welcome foreigners who come to my country with something to offer: either skills or hard work.
Please be in no doubt, the majority of the illegal immigrants to our country are not coming here to offer something of benefit to us; they are coming here for the many benefits they receive from us.

The French assist them rather than trying to contain them, which is exactly what we pay them £millions for.  Of course, they don't want them and if there is a weak and soft nation which assists in collecting as many as they can once they have set sail, then that is to their benefit.  The French have never been our friends, other than in two world wars when we gave our lives to help them.  This, I assume, is our reward!

[klondike]

I suppose minefields would be frowned on by some....

[Alex]

Interesting discussion. I suppose that you thought that after Brexit you are able to control who enters your country, but reality is with all these wars and crisis the number of migrants will constantly grow and no one can prevent people for looking for a better life.
In 1946 my family came as refugees to Germany, we got little support - not possible due to the huge number of refugees at that time. We got a room in a house in a hamlet on top of a mountain, my mother helped the farmers and my father found a job in a quarry. True, we didn't come voluntarily to Germany. However, despite of this life was better for us there than living on the street in our motherland.
Probably this applies also to many of the migrants today. I don't know, I am no expert, but when I watch the news on TV I notice that there are much too many wars and crisis around the world.

What pixxes me off is these young men pass through so many safe countries to get here and NO, the majority do not speak English. 

[GrannyMac]

Interesting discussion. I suppose that you thought that after Brexit you are able to control who enters your country, but reality is with all these wars and crisis the number of migrants will constantly grow and no one can prevent people for looking for a better life.
In 1946 my family came as refugees to Germany, we got little support - not possible due to the huge number of refugees at that time. We got a room in a house in a hamlet on top of a mountain, my mother helped the farmers and my father found a job in a quarry. True, we didn't come voluntarily to Germany. However, despite of this life was better for us there than living on the street in our motherland.
Probably this applies also to many of the migrants today. I don't know, I am no expert, but when I watch the news on TV I notice that there are much too many wars and crisis around the world.

I thought it was obvious that by leaving the EU we'd just stop free movement of other Europeans.  Obviously those who have skills or pay for university were welcome via the Visa system. In some areas of the UK the Roma, despised across mainland Europe, have settled in large numbers, and although they are not discriminated against here, their behaviour was a catalyst for many who voted for Brexit.  There are thousands in this city, and David Blunkett who was a very left wing MP, raised great concerns about them years ago.  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

I don't think anyone foresaw the huge rise in illegal boat crossings, and the abuse of the asylum system, which was introduced for valid reasons.  Thousands who have come here legally also overstay, and are also here illegally.  Until our judiciary and politicians start acting for the good of the ordinary, tax paying residents of the UK, the abuse will continue. 

Ansu, there are plenty of families here like yours, with immigrant background who have assimilated and made positive contributions to our society.  Those that came as refugees however were rarely the young men.  They were the ones, as in Ukraine, defendingvtheir countries.

[Scrumpy]

I suppose minefields would be frowned on by some....

There you go... problem sorted...  How easy was that..!!

[JBR]

There you go... problem sorted...  How easy was that..!!

Well, I suppose they might prove a little unfortunate for the many vessels legally passing through the channel, east to west or vice versa.

[ansu]

Just a short remark as to the French.
As I gave private lessons in English and French I had to deal a lot with the history and situation in both countries and you can believe me, the French have many or even more problems with their immigrants than you. 
However, you are right - and what was astonishing for me is that - when I first stayed in the UK in the sixties I seldom met coloured people, whereas now they seem to be part of the British society. 

[JBR]

Just a short remark as to the French.
As I gave private lessons in English and French I had to deal a lot with the history and situation in both countries and you can believe me, the French have many or even more problems with their immigrants than you.
However, you are right - and what was astonishing for me is that - when I first stayed in the UK in the sixties I seldom met coloured people, whereas now they seem to be part of the British society.

Yes, you are quite correct.  I think the first one I saw was when I was at grammar school around 1965 or 66.  He was a small Indian boy, a pleasant lad as I remember.  On the other hand, it was a couple of years later when my dad had an off-licence shop in the West Bowling area of Bradford, when Pakistanis began to arrive in increasing numbers.  Unlike that Indian boy, we soon realised how untrustworthy they were when they politely asked to use my dad's telephone (the only one in the area!) which he helpfully allowed them to do..  We had no idea what they were talking about of course, as they spoke in Urdu, but later discovered that they were making arrangements to set up a shop of their own and, along with many others of their countrymen who had then populated the immediate area, they effectively became the majority in the area and my dad's shop went bust.  We had no real choice other than to leave the area.  I have never trusted them since.

[klondike]

Well, I suppose they might prove a little unfortunate for the many vessels legally passing through the channel, east to west or vice versa.

Only takes a firecracker to sink a dinghy - just do the bigger stuff a good turn by dislodging some barnacles.

[Alex]

Just a short remark as to the French.
As I gave private lessons in English and French I had to deal a lot with the history and situation in both countries and you can believe me, the French have many or even more problems with their immigrants than you.
However, you are right - and what was astonishing for me is that - when I first stayed in the UK in the sixties I seldom met coloured people, whereas now they seem to be part of the British society.

Yes we see on our TV screens what has happened to France Ansu, that's why we're fearful the same will happen here  !

[Mups]

Well sorry to be a pessimist,  but I think this will carry on getting worse and worse.   
All these boats have been planned for ages, and they are making someone very, very rich.
We must be a laughing stock,  and will very soon regret being the fools we are.

[klondike]

making someone very, very rich

No doubt lots of people. Won't be as many as it makes angry but more than it makes dead.

[JBR]

Well sorry to be a pessimist,  but I think this will carry on getting worse and worse. 
All these boats have been planned for ages, and they are making someone very, very rich.
We must be a laughing stock,  and will very soon regret being the fools we are.

I'm sure we will, even the supporters of illegal immigration, like TwoTier.

[Mups]

I'm sure we will, even the supporters of illegal immigration, like TwoTier.

They should move loads of these illegals into accomodation next door to every single politician,  and then twice as many next door to Starmer.   

If these people who make decisions for us actually had some personal experience of how their decisions affect others,  what with ridiculous  prices, rising tax's, and scary neighbours,  they just might have a better understanding of the resentment and results their ideas create.

Instead,  they no doubt toddle off home in their chauffeur-driven Limo's,  after having their expenses-paid lunches and drinks,  and enjoy their evening with their butlers and maids pandering round them.
They can't possibly have a clue how Mr. Average lives unless they experience it.