Doctors unhappy

[Mups]

Teachers and most NHS workers are to be  given a 3.6%  pay rise.
Doctors are being offered a 4% rise.

But Doctors are saying 4% isn't enough, and they want more and are going to vote on a strike.
I see trouble ahead . . .  its hard enough to get an appointment as it is!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyv1vxkdjyo
 

[muddy]

Greedy buggers .
How much money do they want ?
I thought people ( partly ) became doctors to help people .
Still what do I know .
It's supply and demand there is too much demand and not enough supply.

[Mups]

Greedy buggers .

How much money do they want ?
I thought people ( partly ) became doctors to help people .
Still what do I know .
It's supply and demand there is too much demand and not enough supply.

That's what I thought too, Muddy.

I tried for 3 days last week to get an appointment,  still no luck.
This morning I rang dot on 8 a.m.  and was told by that wretched recorded message, that I was 29th in the queue.
As usual when I finally got through, all the appointments were taken. 

My surgery only does a five day week,  they don't have to work weekends like millions of other people do,  yet they still want even more money.

[klondike]

And they wonder why A&E departments get overwhelmed.

My surgery have withdrawn Livi and introduced some local replacement that you access through the surgery. Apart from actually getting a booking one of the big attractions of Livi was not needing to contact the surgery. Good job you can get cheap unlimited calltime mobile sims these days.

[Scrumpy]

Thank goodness I don't need medical help at this time..
Everybody seems to be greedy ...

I put politicians at the very top of the list..
If they get heating allowance.. benefits on ( everything)... Rent.. Travel..etc; 
Why can't we..!!! We pay/paid our taxes..
After all they are only doing a job of work.. They don't even have to use their brains..
  

[Ashy]

They don't even have to use their brains..

How true those words are, even today. 

[Mups]

I was told yesterday, that to get an appointment with the GP I would have liked to see, that I must ring again on 27th May to book him for 2 weeks after that!!

Is it really that surprising to hear why some patients blow their top and start getting abusive?
Yes I know its wrong to do that,  but I can understand why it happens, especially when they don't feel well.

[muddy]

Apparantly we in the U.K. have far less doctors per 10,000 people ( 33.4) than France , Germany Spain and Ireland .

Why is this ? 

[klondike]

Because we have incompetent government and have had for decades.

This leads to..
No accurate idea of the population.
Inefficient beyond belief public services.
Waste of money on hair brained schemes.
etc. etc. etc.

[JBR]

Because we have incompetent government and have had for decades.

This leads to..
No accurate idea of the population.
Inefficient beyond belief public services.
Waste of money on hair brained schemes.
etc. etc. etc.

I fully agree, of course, but perhaps there is another cause as well: doctors, and some of the best, leaving to go to another country where they are more respected and, no doubt, paid more!

I look back to watching an old TV series about a London hospital at the turn of the century (Casualty 1906).  This, presumably independent hospital (long before the NHS), was pretty much self-governing and the people at the top were the senior consultants and a single (non medical) administrator.  I remember watching a scene showing a handful of these people in charge discussing things, where the doctors effectively had the overriding say.

I'm believe that today as everything is decided by non-medically qualified people, whose interest lies predominantly on money and no-doubt politics, it is not beneficial to the efficient running of our hospitals.
Yes, we need brains with a knowledge of finances and, perhaps the law, but I should be much happier if the major decisions in medicine were to be made by medics.

A similar situation prevails in my last GP practice.  The doctors and other medical staff I saw there were excellent.  Unfortunately the receptionists were distinctly officious and unhelpful, and I put this down to the senior penpusher who probably dictated much of what happened there.

[klondike]

Doctors do doctoring and the NHS is run by bureaucrats. Bureaucrats get more power by presiding over more staff. The head honcho bureaucrat recruits as many extra admin staff as he can within the available budget then complains about underfunding. He doesn't want to be bothered with the little people though so most services are outsourced to companies who obviously take their rake off. This is enough to explain why the NHS has become a bloated bureaucratic money pit.