Hang 'em high..

[Scrumpy]

Over the decades we have had evil kids...
They are just getting bolder.. and care less of the outcome because they know that they can fool their jailers..

[JBR]

Yes, there is a lot of crime these days, and much of it serious crime.
The obvious reason is that there are no strong punishments today and, in my opinion, that only goes to encourage more crime.
In my opinion, it begins with the stupid banning of smacking naughty children, which did me no harm and taught me how to behave.
As I have said before, the ultimate punishment for murder, hanging, should be restored.  I think I included, earlier, a graph showing this increase of murder since it was banned.

[Mups]

Personally,  I think hanging is a bit medaevil nowadays,  it reminds me of all the old Westerns of yesteryear.
BUT,  I do agree with the death penalty for certain horrific or repeat criminals.  Perhaps just a lethal injection like they vets do to animals?

[klondike]

The US apparently have problems finding pharmaceutical companies prepared to sell them the necessary drugs.

Maybe a firing squad - after all armaments manufacturers can't be very squeamish.

Hanging can be far more humane than the various American methods. I recall a documentary on Pierrepoint. he prided himself on speed. A door from the condemned cell lead straight to the scaffold. Apparently the condemned could be rousted from bed and swinging all in seconds.

Google AI...

Albert Pierrepoint was known for his speed and efficiency as a hangman, with some executions taking only seconds. For example, the execution of James Inglis in 1951 took only seven seconds from the time his cell door was opened to the gallows.

[Scrumpy]

BUT,  I do agree with the death penalty for certain horrific or repeat criminals.  Perhaps just a lethal injection like they vets do to animals?

Mups... 'Repeat criminals' !!... Are you talking about a killer  killing more than once ?
 If anyone hurt my family I wouldn't like to hear that he/she had committed the crime before..
 It wouldn't worry me to pull the switch on such a person..

[Mups]

Mups... 'Repeat criminals' !!... Are you talking about a killer  killing more than once ?
 If anyone hurt my family I wouldn't like to hear that he/she had committed the crime before..
 It wouldn't worry me to pull the switch on such a person..

Yes Scrumps.   Those who have previously killed,  and go on to kill, or attempt to kill,  again.




April 29, 2025, 11:14:57 AM

The US apparently have problems finding pharmaceutical companies prepared to sell them the necessary drugs.

Maybe a firing squad - after all armaments manufacturers can't be very squeamish.

Hanging can be far more humane than the various American methods. I recall a documentary on Pierrepoint. he prided himself on speed. A door from the condemned cell lead straight to the scaffold. Apparently the condemned could be rousted from bed and swinging all in seconds.

Google AI...

Albert Pierrepoint was known for his speed and efficiency as a hangman, with some executions taking only seconds. For example, the execution of James Inglis in 1951 took only seven seconds from the time his cell door was opened to the gallows.

I would have thought many prescribed drugs could kill if we overdosed,  yet they are still prescribed daily?
Failing that,  an high voltage electric shock would do the trick.

Like I said,  I am not against the death penalty,  just not hanging in this day and age.

[klondike]

Hanging is more humane than the electric chair, gas chamber or lethal injection. 

[Mups]

Hanging is more humane than the electric chair, gas chamber or lethal injection.

Ooh No,  surerly not?
How can dangling with a broken neck be more humane than an injection? 
I know which I'd prefer if I had to choose.  What about you?


Bit of a gory subject this,  isn't it. 

[klondike]

Hanging when done properly is pretty much instant while the others aren't.

Apart from that whipping somebody from the condemned cell to the gallows and hanging thaem takes seconds so the anticipation is short. The setup for the others takes far longer as does the period between the process starting and unconciousnes/death.

April 29, 2025, 02:03:53 PM
I'm not a fan of the death penalty. History shows many cases of a miscarriage of justice and getting any compensation should that prove to be the case is obviously out of the question if executed.

The best solution IMO in the case of terrorist attacks is a shoot to kill policy and no question of allowing a surrender when caught in the act. Cheaper too.

[Mups]

Hanging when done properly is pretty much instant while the others aren't.

Apart from that whipping somebody from the condemned cell to the gallows and hanging thaem takes seconds so the anticipation is short. The setup for the others takes far longer as does the period between the process starting and unconciousnes/death.

April 29, 2025, 02:03:53 PM
I'm not a fan of the death penalty. History shows many cases of a miscarriage of justice and getting any compensation should that prove to be the case is obviously out of the question if executed.

The best solution IMO in the case of terrorist attacks is a shoot to kill policy and no question of allowing a surrender when caught in the act. Cheaper too.

Ey?   That's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it?  

[JBR]

Hanging when done properly is pretty much instant while the others aren't.

Apart from that whipping somebody from the condemned cell to the gallows and hanging thaem takes seconds so the anticipation is short. The setup for the others takes far longer as does the period between the process starting and unconciousnes/death.

I agree.  I have never seen the real thing, but a very convincing one on the telly (quite some time ago) convinced me that death is instant.  Too quick for any possible pain.
The historical films show the old method where the victim hangs shaking for several seconds suggests that without the professional method they are effectively being strangled.

I sometimes think, though, that if the criminal has done someone in viciously and intentionally painfully, the latter version of hanging might be more appropriate.

[klondike]

Plain old non drop hanging lasts more like minutes than seconds.

Ey?  That's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it? 

Not really. If a terrorist is in the process of killing their victims the police should be completely unfettered in their ability to respond without risk to their careers. That's a long way from convictions based on possibly flawed evidence.

[JBR]

Plain old non drop hanging lasts more like minutes than seconds.
Not really. If a terrorist is in the process of killing their victims the police should be completely unfettered in their ability to respond without risk to their careers. That's a long way from convictions based on possibly flawed evidence.

I'm completely in support of a shoot-to-kill policy for terrorists, but of course our police might be better routinely armed?
(Sorry if that is sidetracking.)

[klondike]

Here's an example.

Lucy Letby was convicted of a number of child murders. There is a sizeable group who claim she is a victim of a miscarriage of justice. Her conviction is based entirely on circumstantial evidence.

So would you hang her?

How would you feel about that if later there was proof that she had been stitched up by another doctor or nurse who feared that their neglect was the cause of those deaths and Lucy Letby was a convenient scapegoat?

Now I'm not saying whether she is an evil bitch or a victim. I've not looked beyond the basic outcome of the case but given the possible doubt I'm glad she wasn't hanged.

[Scrumpy]

Here's an example.

Lucy Letby was convicted of a number of child murders. There is a sizeable group who claim she is a victim of a miscarriage of justice. Her conviction is based entirely on circumstantial evidence.

So would you hang her?

Yeah... You win some and you lose some.. 
There is always a sizeable group doing the rounds.. protesting about this that and the other..