Alternatives to Prison

[JBR]

Some excellent and practical ideas above.  Unfortunately, with a lefty government (Labour) and a lefty opposition (Liberal) I can see crime increasing due to the lack of any punishments.

The number of criminals will, by encouragement, increase... and so will the votes for Labour.

[ansu]

An interesting discussion. I think young people just aren't sufficiently challenged already at school. Such a lot of young people drop school, thus have little prospects of finding a job and they have never learned to grit their teeth - we say a cake doesn't only exist of raisins. However, they want to have the same life as the rest of us, i.e. they get on the wrong track, meet the wrong friends etc. 
As to the migrants - sometimes the whole village has financed their trip to Europe and expects that they will send money and become rich in Europe. However, the reality is a different one. Somewhere I read that this is one of the reason why young migrants from Maroc, for instance become a criminal. 
I don't know whether building more prisons would solve the problem.

[JBR]

An interesting discussion. I think young people just aren't sufficiently challenged already at school. Such a lot of young people drop school, thus have little prospects of finding a job and they have never learned to grit their teeth - we say a cake doesn't only exist of raisins. However, they want to have the same life as the rest of us, i.e. they get on the wrong track, meet the wrong friends etc.
As to the migrants - sometimes the whole village has financed their trip to Europe and expects that they will send money and become rich in Europe. However, the reality is a different one. Somewhere I read that this is one of the reason why young migrants from Maroc, for instance become a criminal.
I don't know whether building more prisons would solve the problem.

Regarding (migrants) illegal immigrants, here in Britain we don't sent them to prisons; we give them free rooms in four-star hotels.  No, not joking, we really do.

[klondike]

I don't know whether building more prisons would solve the problem.

There's no real time for that anyway. Quite apart from actually building the gaol it needs to be staffed and from what I've read morale in the prison service has sunk lower than whale shit and there is a dearth of experienced prison officers left.


N.B. I actually am aware that whale shit floats but still love the similie.

[JBR]

There's no real time for that anyway. Quite apart from actually building the gaol it needs to be staffed and from what I've read morale in the prison service has sunk lower than whale shit and there is a dearth of experienced prison officers left.

I can understand that.  It must be like looking after rich guests in a five-star hotel.

July 01, 2024, 06:09:11 PM

N.B. I actually am aware that whale shit floats but still love the simile.

Now I found that quite interesting because I wasn't aware of it.

If ever I should go for a swim in the sea, I'll have to be careful.  Sharks I can live with, but the other alternative scares me shitless.

[Diasi]

The decline started years ago when a degree in some useless subject became a requirement in order to become a prison Governor.

One of our corner shops was bought & run by a former prison officer who, along with several of his colleagues, was sacked from the prison service for their method of keeping control in their prison.

Basically it involved them selecting a couple of that week's trouble makers & then going into their cells after lockdown & beating seven shades of shit out of them.

It worked quite well as it was a lottery that the prisoners soon decided wasn't worth winning.

Violence can only be met by violence. Reasoned discussions don't work.

[Alex]

A few think building more prisons isn't the answer.  Deportations are infrequent, numbers will be worse under Labour.  So where do you put criminals, back on the streets ?

[klondike]

Those prisons should have been built and staffed before this crisis point arrived. It's called planning.
Too late now so yes they'll end up being released early. What alternative is there?

July 02, 2024, 08:45:22 AM

If ever I should go for a swim in the sea, I'll have to be careful.  Sharks I can live with, but the other alternative scares me shitless.

Whales tend to be in deeper and colder water than where you are likely to be swimming. Water quality where you would swim depends on the water companies and their contribution is more toxic than the contribution from whales.

[Scrumpy]

Chain gangs... Shackle them.. Put them out there to repair our pot holes.. 
 Then shoot them.. problem sorted..

[klondike]

Might be a bit of an issue with human rights lawyers if they go for that admirable solution.

[dextrous63]

Might be a bit of an issue with human rights lawyers if they go for that admirable solution.

Attach the lawyers onto the chain gang, so they can actually do something worthwhile.

[klondike]

[JBR]

The decline started years ago when a degree in some useless subject became a requirement in order to become a prison Governor.

One of our corner shops was bought & run by a former prison officer who, along with several of his colleagues, was sacked from the prison service for their method of keeping control in their prison.

Basically it involved them selecting a couple of that week's trouble makers & then going into their cells after lockdown & beating seven shades of shit out of them.

It worked quite well as it was a lottery that the prisoners soon decided wasn't worth winning.

Violence can only be met by violence. Reasoned discussions don't work.

Many of us think that is a great idea and should come back.  The trouble is the wimply do-gooders who seem to like dangerous criminals... 
until they come face to face with them.

[Diasi]

Many of us think that is a great idea and should come back.  The trouble is the wimply do-gooders who seem to like dangerous criminals...
until they come face to face with them.

Yeah, like the twat who thought he could talk reason into the so-called Charles Bronson prisoner & ended up being held at knifepoint in his cell for several days.

[dextrous63]

Funny how the modern trend is to completely disregard the lessons learnt from yesteryear...


Live by the sword shall die by the sword,

Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's

Spare the rod, spoil the child

Etc etc

The question is whether casting these aside and adopting the modern "human rights" (which curiously don't seem to be applied to the rights of victims🤬🤷🏻�♂️) softly softly approach has led to a proportional improvement in crime stats.

Personally, I doubt it has.  I suspect that things have got worse.