It's increasing but I wonder if that isn't down to a lot of black on black violence in cities.

TBH I'm not convinced of the deterrent value. The jihadi crowd don't care, the dim crowd think they'll never be caught and the pissed, drugged, psychopaths, seeing red etc,  types that account for lots of murders basically don't think at all. It's only the thinkers that would be deterred and I reckon they are a minority..

The problem I have are the miscarriages of justice which are far too high. Posthumous pardons and apologies don't really cut it.

It's certainly cheaper though. So long as they get the rope from Lidl not B&Q

Insha Allah

Anyway, bottom line is that the overall trend is that the rate is increasing.  Sure there was the Harold Shipman spike followed by a curious lull.

Which kinda goes against the claim that  hanging doesn't act as a deterrent.

I'd quite like to see the repeat offending stats for those who got hung compared to those that didn't 😉😬

I'd also like to see the cost of hanging versus the cost of lengthy incarceration.

Quote from: JBR on Yesterday at 03:20:30 PMnone of them have the faintest idea how to restore the strength of our country

IMO none of them actually want to. Everything is proceeding according to plan. In just a few generations those annoying white British will have been outbred and be a tiny minority. Then our Lords and Masters can start clamping down on all the benefits, pensions etc. nonsense and get the buggers working for the benefit of them.

The rate per million looks a lot different from the the plain number showing just how much the population has swollen.

Yesterday at 03:38:10 PM

Quote from: JBR on Yesterday at 03:32:11 PMthough it didn't show beneath your post.

That's because I added it when I screen printed the pdf and uploaded it to postimage. There's the per million graph added too now. Not sure why you quoted me three times.

Quote from: klondike on Yesterday at 03:25:55 PMThere's one in that pdf the AI pointed to and I added. It got embedded and is too small for me to read - I should have listened to mum but young lads never do. Anyway you can download it but the one I saw only gives numbers per year and the population has shot up as we all know. I'm guessing the AI figurs come from the spreadsheet and are probably accurate.

Quote from: klondike on Yesterday at 03:25:55 PMThere's one in that pdf the AI pointed to and I added. It got embedded and is too small for me to read - I should have listened to mum but young lads never do. Anyway you can download it but the one I saw only gives numbers per year and the population has shot up as we all know. I'm guessing the AI figurs come from the spreadsheet and are probably accurate.

Quote from: klondike on Yesterday at 03:25:55 PMThere's one in that pdf the AI pointed to and I added. It got embedded and is too small for me to read - I should have listened to mum but young lads never do. Anyway you can download it but the one I saw only gives numbers per year and the population has shot up as we all know. I'm guessing the AI figurs come from the spreadsheet and are probably accurate.

Hahaha!
When I clicked to respond, the very graph that I have seen before appeared - three times! - here above my response, though it didn't show beneath your post.  I'm not sure it will actually post, though.  We shall see.
It's almost as if some authorities somewhere don't want anyone to actually see it!

There's one in that pdf the AI pointed to and I added. It got embedded and is too small for me to read - I should have listened to mum but young lads never do. Anyway you can download it but the one I saw only gives numbers per year and the population has shot up as we all know. I'm guessing the AI figurs come from the spreadsheet and are probably accurate.



per million in there too...

Quote from: muddy on December 17, 2025, 05:19:46 PMWe need someone strong in our governemnt where are all the strong leaders ?

Here we have Andrew Hastie MP ( Australian liberal )

But heck there is no comparison with our wishy washy liberal and our quite frankly some of our insane Labour Party MPs

?

Unfortunately, no-one, absolutely no-one, in our Labour government can be described as strong leaders.
The evidence suggests than none of them have the faintest idea how to restore the strength of our country to what it was before Bliar.
It looks like there is another three or four years before we can have another attempt to elect Reform, and I am certain that they and no other party have the will and the ability to begin to restore the nation we were once proud of.

I'm afraid I can't view any graphs from the above posts, perhaps because I don't have the appropriate Microsoft software now.  However, going by those supplied figures, they substantiate the graph I have up until the early 2000s.  Anyone would think that some people are trying to hide the increases.

For this reason, I maintain that if we were to bring back hanging for murder, if proved beyond doubt, the numbers would begin to cease because I believe that hanging was an effective deterrent.

Quote from: klondike on December 17, 2025, 09:01:57 PMNo - that's 10 iirc. Under 18s do get softer treatment but at 15 not all that much softer I hope

Correct Criminal responsibility in England  is 10 in Scotland it's 8.