Henry Tudor was the probable culprit  he couldn't leave any possible Plantagenet claimants hanging  about .

Quote from: muddy on Yesterday at 10:58:26 PMPoor old Richard the Third .
Courageous betrayed and maligned .
I always liked him so much so I once nearly joined the Richard 111 society .

He was certainly a lot better than some of them - and did not kill the princes in the tower.  I will never believe that - he had no motive anyway.

Poor old Richard the Third .
Courageous betrayed and maligned .
I always liked him so much so I once nearly joined the Richard 111 society .

I don't think that anyone here  "radiates hate of children or their parents ."
I think it was an awful thing to say.

Why on earth should the long suffering taxpayer pay for this ( multimillionaire) man's children ( who are amply provided with free security when they are in the royal residences ) when their own children have to take their chances on the streets .

He was offered Buckingham Palace for his stay , how much more secure can you get ?

And presumably the same goes for taxpayers if he gets a freebie.

None of us here can be sure we'll even see William get the crown even though Charles does have a cancer. You can be sure if any of them has anything go wrong they won't have a month's wait for a GP appointment then turn up their toes while still on a waiting list.

If Harry is paying for a private security detail it will cost him in the region of $ 2mil a year if he is going for 24/7

Quote from: Raven on Yesterday at 08:02:40 PMJuly 01, 2026, 10:49:48  She said she was leaving.
He does pay a security firm, but they aren't allowed to carry guns, as the royal
security people are. His children are the King's grandchildren too.

I'm sorry, but I can't stay on a forum that radiates hate of children or their parents.
It makes me feel rather sick.

Klondike, thank you for your efforts, and I know that not every member is as prejudiced
but it is dominated by the few who are.

I didn't know that, Raven.
That's a shame.

Quote from: muddy on Yesterday at 02:49:16 PMBecause the time of monarchies is past JBR.
Actually long past.
Fawning on one family who have simply won the lottery of birth is plainly ridiculous in this day and age.
The age of unearned and undeserved deference is gone.

Well, I suppose that remains to be seen.
Of course, I don't suppose I shall still be around by the time William passes on the crown...
or gives it up for good, I suppose.

'Radiates hate of children '.

What a load of tosh .