Electricity

[Diasi]

I completely agree. "Nett zero" is like everlasting mortality, it sounds too good to be true - because it is.

Over here (North East Michigan) I'm paying (updated) the equivalent of 0.68 p per therm for gas and 12.21p for electricity. Some States are also as much as 25% cheaper due to distribution costs and multiplicity of supply sources. Standing charges don't exist.

Former Vice President and 'New World Order' fanatic 'John Kerry' says we are 'missing' climate change relevance by concentrating on the deflection of the Ukrainian conflict! Still at least he admits we should avoid a nuclear whizz-bang, as it would melt the icecaps. Its good to know he keeps a sense of proportion.

I agree.

Objectives need to change in line with the prevailing circumstances.

When I was a manager in the Dept I had a notice on my office wall that read 'It's difficult to remain with the original ojective, which is to drain the swamp, when you're up to your arse in alligators.'

The nett zero green levys & VAT on energy prices being just two of the alligators.

Although I'll be ok with the various cost of living increases, I despair for a lot of people.

As regards the standing charges there seems to be nothing to stop the energy suppliers increasing them to compensate for any reduction in usage.

[Michael Rolls]

I had that same quote on my wall!
Mike

[Diasi]

I had that same quote on my wall!
Mike

Lol 

I had another that said' You may not always agree with my decision, but remember, I'm in here & you're out there'.

Lol 

[Diasi]

Oooh! I also had a mug with the inscription 'Another Shitty Day in Paradise' which seemed to capture 100% of the Regional Director's attention when he visited.

[zoony]

I gave my GP a mug for his desk which said: "Please don't confuse your Google search with my degree in medicine".

[Cassandra]

I agree.

Objectives need to change in line with the prevailing circumstances.

So true, today's social/media world is philosophically discursive. Knowledge should be influence by the reason of argument, rather than intuitive ideology. Very often in my life 'The Case was Altered' by the admission of fresh evidence and all involved were then committed to re-think continuation; as factually established reality, devoid of prejudice compelled a different route to decision.

[klondike]

Octopus who I was passed to when Avro went bust include this in their email

Today, we're introducing a temporary Loyal Octopus support to help customers like you keep your bills as low as possible in this difficult time. The reward automatically reduces your electricity charges by £48 per year compared to our standard tariff (that's £50 below the price cap).

Presumably to discourage switching.

The complete tariff also shows a daily standing charge of close to 50p in some places.

[Diasi]

But it does emphasis the electricity & gas (although gas has at least got an equal standing charge) pricing scam as each region charges different prices.

We're on a fixed price tariff until the 31st May, by which time I'll have switched off our central heating function until the beginning of November.

[Diasi]

Our energy supplier, Shell, is still selling it's electricity as 100% renewable 100% of the time of the time, which means that we don't expect any of it to be generated by non-renewable means & therefore we don't expect to see an increase in our electricity unit charges.

"100% renewable electricity, 100% of the time
Cleaner energy is more important than ever. That's why all our electricity is 100% renewable, as standard."

[Diasi]

Shell has explained the standing charge increase & I can't see how an increase of 39% to transport the gas & electricity to users can be justified.

The rest of the increased charge is for the baling out of the debts left by people's energy suppliers who have gone bust.

"A standing charge is a fixed daily amount that's applied to your bill. The charge is based on the costs suppliers pay for providing your home with energy. It includes the operating and network costs we have to pay the companies who own the wires and pipes that carry your energy. This year their charges have increased by 39%.

The standing charge also includes a levy of £68 per household per year. This amount is set by Ofgem, the UK's energy regulator, to recover costs associated with the collapse of 29 energy suppliers this past year. This is known as the Supplier of Last Resort levy."

[Diasi]

We've just had our long awaited email from Shell Energy.

After your fixed term tariff ends in June, you'll be moved to the Shell Flexible 7 tariff with the prices as follows.

Flexible 7 is our cheapest available tariff. Our flexible tariff prices are based on a unit rate of 27.358p per kWh for electricity and 7.280p per kWh for gas, and a standing charge of 48.52p per day for electricity and 27.22p for gas.

Our standing charges have increased from £8 per month to £23 per month & the kWh prices have virtually doubled.

Our present electricity bill is £81 per month & it will increase to £137 per month if Shell apply the estimated annual cost of £ 1649.

P.S. Yes, £137 isn't double £81 but it's based on our present usage annual consumption prediction.

If this was applied to our current tariff the £81 would be around £65 as we've drastically cut down on the central heating over the past two months.

[Cassandra]

I thought the 'capped rates' were 0.7p Kwh on Gas and 0.28p Kwh on Electricity until October? With standing charge fees at 27p and 45p a day respectively?

I'm on Zoom with an old pal who lives in Sth Yorkshire and at 84, is thoroughly confused with it all? He sent me the latest Govt capped figures, as above until October. So are OFT allowing Octopus to charge over these numbers as per klon's attachment?

[Diasi]

I thought the 'capped rates' were 0.7p Kwh on Gas and 0.28p Kwh on Electricity until October? With standing charge fees at 27p and 45p a day respectively?

I'm on Zoom with an old pal who lives in Sth Yorkshire and at 84, is thoroughly confused with it all? He sent me the latest Govt capped figures, as above until October. So are OFT allowing Octopus to charge over these numbers as per klon's attachment?

Hi Cassandra,

We were with Octopus before we switched to Shell Energy so I called them today for a quote & the prices are virtually the same.

Before   After
Tariff details      
Name   iChoosr Collective Octopus 12M Fixed   Flexible Octopus
Tariff code   ICHOOSR-FIX-12M-20-02-12   VAR-22-04-02
      
Electricity charges      
Unit rate   13.02 p per kWh   27.35 p per kWh
Standing charge   23.55 p per day   48.26 p per day
      
Gas charges      
Unit rate   2.27 p per kWh   7.28 p per kWh
Standing charge   17.85 p per day   27.22 p per day
      
Costs      
Estimated annual cost   £754.33   £1728.55
All prices include VAT.

The above estimated annual costs are calculated using annual consumption

[klondike]

Here is the ofgem info

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you


Current price cap period (1 April - 30 September 2022)

Electric £0.28 per kWh Daily standing charge: £0.45
Gas £0.07 per kWh Daily standing charge: £0.27

Earlier though it says
Does the price cap affect me?
It won't apply if you:

have chosen a standard variable green energy tariff Ofgem has exempted from the cap.


Now I didn't chose anything. My provider went bust and I was switched to Octopus and have had no input at all into what tariff I am on.

I suspect though that is one of the excluded green tariffs and the gits are charging over the cap for gas.

[Diasi]

Here is the ofgem info

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you

Current price cap period (1 April - 30 September 2022)

Electric £0.28 per kWh Daily standing charge: £0.45
Gas £0.07 per kWh Daily standing charge: £0.27

Earlier though it says
Does the price cap affect me?
It won't apply if you:

have chosen a standard variable green energy tariff Ofgem has exempted from the cap.


Now I didn't chose anything. My provider went bust and I was switched to Octopus and have had no input at all into what tariff I am on.

I suspect though that is one of the excluded green tariffs and the gits are charging over the cap for gas.

Shell Energy's sales pitch is that their electricity is sold as 100% renewable 100% of the time so I assume that it's classed as green & therefore evades the OFGEM cap.

It's the fact that their electricty cannot have increased in production cost if it's all renewable all of the time.

If some of their electricity is supplied from non-renewable sources I would argue that their sales pitch is fraudulent.