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Started by Scrumpy, May 08, 2026, 11:40:43 AM

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Ashy

The big difference is that in an aeroplane, whoever is pilot flying, the route stays the same. In politics I suppose it ought to change.

In aviation, pilots are taught "crew resource management". It means that they have to take account of suggestions and warnings from the crew. I may be wrong but I don't see Starmer as applying that, he's more of an autocrat.

The elections results are telling. Labour has lost heavily to Reform. Unfortunately it didn't happen here, Green Party won control locally, labour lost 2/3 of its councillors. I despair.

klondike

Labour lost the Muslim vote despite all the sucking up to them. Not quite true though as the other main portion of the Greens are the Marxists who deserted Labour as they now see better prospects in the Greens since Corbyn got his marching orders. Not sure how many tree huggers they have but probably not many compared to the main party constituents.

Labour seem to have suffered most but the Tories lost almost  as many as they took bit did apparently make a few gains too.

muddy

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Once the islamists get ensconced they will ditch the boob whisperer and that silly women who dances about  with weirdos on the stage .

As in Birmingham where the newly elected independant coalition ( or what ever it's rename is ) celebrated in the presence of all men and speaking Urdu .

Ashy

The country is going down the toilet, like I would never have thought possible in all my years.

JBR

Quote from: Ashy on May 08, 2026, 09:51:09 PMThe country is going down the toilet, like I would never have thought possible in all my years.
Yes, it certainly is, thanks to the so-called 'Two Main Parties'.  The damage really began with Bliar and Brown, and then a series of Tory PMs.  The serious deterioration has now begun under TwoTier.  Unfortunately, he and his party could continue their 'work' for another three years, during which I can see absolutely no recovery.

I am glad that I am the age I am, and have no responsibility for any children.
Numquam credere Gallicum

CHF

The whole thing is a mess; the PM dare not call an election now, but he needs 
to be replaced.
But by whom?

CHF

I see Starmer has brought Gordon Brown in to help, the man who sold off UK gold cheaply...

Fryingpan/fire.

Alex

Quote from: CHF on Yesterday at 11:32:26 AMThe whole thing is a mess; the PM dare not call an election now, but he needs
to be replaced.
But by whom?

Andy Burnham.   If they can't find him a seat, they'll move for him via the House of Lords.   watch this space !  :grin:

JBR

Quote from: CHF on Yesterday at 11:59:21 AMI see Starmer has brought Gordon Brown in to help, the man who sold off UK gold cheaply...

Fryingpan/fire.
Clearly, TwoTier doesn't have a clue what to do for the best, and he is our so-called PM.  That probably explains why he spends to much time travelling the world trying to appear important.
I suspect that most of the leaders simply politely ignore him.
Numquam credere Gallicum

Ashy

Quote from: Alex on Yesterday at 12:12:57 PMAndy Burnham.   If they can't find him a seat, they'll move for him via the House of Lords.   watch this space !  :grin:
Not saying they won't change the rules but the present labour party rules require the leader to be an elected MP. So Mr Burnham would have to resign his mayoral stipend and hope to win somewhere.

GrannyMac

Quote from: Alex on Yesterday at 12:12:57 PMAndy Burnham.  If they can't find him a seat, they'll move for him via the House of Lords.  watch this space !  :grin:
I think he's a good speaker, and he's stood up for the Greater Manchester Region, but he's pretty left wing. He'd be better for Labour, but for the country?
Its not how old you are, but how you are old. 💖

Alex

Quote from: Ashy on Yesterday at 01:16:58 PMNot saying they won't change the rules but the present labour party rules require the leader to be an elected MP. So Mr Burnham would have to resign his mayoral stipend and hope to win somewhere.
I didn't know that Ashy.  I was remembering how the government at the time got David Cameron appointed as Foreign Secretary by making him a Lord.(I think :cool:  ) 

Ashy

Quote from: Alex on Yesterday at 10:11:52 PMI didn't know that Ashy.  I was remembering how the government at the time got David Cameron appointed as Foreign Secretary by making him a Lord.(I think :cool:  ) 
Yes the conservatives can do that. I may be wrong but I think the labour party elects the cabinet, or a panel of them, and the PM has to use them. Blair may have changed the rules to make it more autocratic, I lost interest in the labour party in 1997 when he gave that interview to the Financial Times.

klondike

The Tories did do it with Alec Douglas-Home but AI suggests it's difficult now...


How it could happen today
If a peer were chosen to be PM today, they would almost certainly follow the "Douglas-Home Route"...
The last peer appointed PM. To satisfy convention, he renounced his peerage immediately and won a by-election to enter the Commons.

The Disclaimer: 
Under the Peerage Act 1963, a hereditary peer can renounce their title. While life peers cannot technically "renounce" their title in the same way, the House of Lords Reform Act 2014 allows them to resign from the House.  
The By-election: The peer would then need a "safe seat" to be vacated by a loyal MP so they could run for election to the House of Commons.

Summary: While the King could technically appoint a peer as PM tomorrow, the political backlash and the inability to manage the House of Commons would likely make the government's position untenable within days.