The Green Party

[JBR]

No chance. It's like entropy - the more the mix the less useful work that can be achieved and the more it increases - look it up 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

I live in hope, but I agree that it will be a very uphill struggle.
The other thing which is happening in the UK is the number of young people who choose not to bother working.
There is, of course, a reason for that in that there is not as much work on offer these days, partly because of the problems with the economy.  However, if and when the money begins to run out it is possible that the dole and other handouts might reduce or even disappear.
If I were a young school leaver again, I'd be making every effort to find a job.  Any job.

[ansu]

It's an interesting discussion, but look at the world - wars and starving in such a lot of places. Our basic law or whatever you call it prescribes that we have to help people in need. However, as someone put it, we can't save the whole world. 
In the 50s and 60s we needed workers, so we looked for guest workers (Gastarbeiter) in Southern Europe and Turkey. Many of them stayed in Germany, others returned to their home countries when they retired. 
Some decades later people living in Russia and other Eastern European countries were allowed to settle down in Germany, if they had German ancestors. 
In 2015 migrants mainly  from Syria and Afghanistan flooded Germany, since  2022 more than a million of Ukrainians sought protection in Germany and our politicians fear that the number of Iranian migrants will increase enormously in the future. In addition we have migrants from Northern Africa.
Sending them back to their home countries is very difficult, as their home countries must be ready to take them back and as far as I know they aren't very keen on doing it. On the other side as per our laws we cannot send someone back to the home country if it is probable that he/she will be pursued there. 
The best way to solve this problem would be to offer them a life that doesn't cause them to leave the home country, but at the moment that's illusory. 
So you see, it's not only a British problem, but it's an European problem, too. 

[muddy]

How can we in Europe offer them a better life in their own country ? 
All that is happening is that they are coming to Europe and changing it and not for the better .

[JBR]

It's an interesting discussion, but look at the world - wars and starving in such a lot of places. Our basic law or whatever you call it prescribes that we have to help people in need. However, as someone put it, we can't save the whole world.
In the 50s and 60s we needed workers, so we looked for guest workers (Gastarbeiter) in Southern Europe and Turkey. Many of them stayed in Germany, others returned to their home countries when they retired.

I think that a similar thing here began in the '60s, but in our case it was largely from Pakistan.  The public seemed to refer to them generally as 'Pakis' anyway.
In the late '60s, my dad had an off-licence shop in Bradford (where we lived) and as time went on and the 'invasion' grew larger, he was forced to sell his shop (and our home), mainly because the 'Pakis' had opened their own shop on the next corner and very few, if any, people used our shop.  We moved away further south, though still in the same city.
That city is now probably more Pakistani than English.  I certainly wouldn't want to live there now.

[GrannyMac]

Bradford is about 1/3 Asian, 2/3 White.   Wiki shows the change over 50 years.  Of course some areas like Manningham are much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bradford

[JBR]

Bradford is about 1/3 Asian, 2/3 White.  Wiki shows the change over 50 years.  Of course some areas like Manningham are much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bradford

Thanks Granny.
Very interesting.  The first thing I noticed in the population pyramid was that after the mid-70s (I am 74 this year) there are more women than men, which actually is no real surprise.  Also the ongoing increase in non-white, especially Pakistani, people has increased to the level you say since the early 1970s, when I was in my teens.  That is when I began to notice the increase in numbers.  Having said that, the first non-white lad I saw when I was at grammar school was when I was about 12 years old, and he was a very pleasant Indian young man.

[GrannyMac]

I'm a bit geeky about facts, some were necessary research when I worked in Local government.

[Michael Rolls]

At my grammar school of some 600 boys, only two, who were brothers, were not white. Sultan Jouhar, dispossessed in the 1947 partition, and his younger brother

[muddy]

At my school there were some Indian pupils , it was a Catholic school and many Indians are Catholics .
The boys were handsome and the girls beautiful. 

[GrannyMac]

I had a girl with a Polish father in my class, no black or Asian children. That was Scotland, 1950s & 60s.  My expedience when we moved to South Yorkshire was quite different. We rented in a poor area at first, we had neighbours from Jamaica, Pakistan, India, West Africa and Ireland.  That area is nearly all Eastern European now. The first house we bought was in a pit village, all white. A few years later we moved to an area where we had some friends, and the schools were better. There were a couple of Asian families on the estate, one black family that I remember, the rest were white.  

My children had friends from different ethnicities in primary school, my daughter is still in touch with an Indian girl from her year.  The Indian kids were academic, the boys were consistently at the top in my son's class. 

[muddy]

If the Green Party get in they want to change driving and make it more difficult to be a motorist 
They apparently  want to reduce motorway and dual carriageway speed limits to 55 mph and  impose Welsh-style 20 mph limits in towns .They would would raise fuel taxes,and make parking more difficult .( as if it's not difficult enough already ) even outside one's own home, and bring in a more demanding driving test including such things as knowledge of how a car works, and impose it on drivers every five years. 

Freedom of the road would be no more .

[klondike]

If 20 were rigidly enforced drivers would be spending more time looking at their speedos than at the road in front. 20 is a very dodgy speed to maintain without setting a speed limiter and even that wouldn't work it it was on any sort of hill. If not rigidly enforced then it's pointless. 

Maybe the mobile phone prohibition should be applied to pedestrians as well as drivers. That would improve road safety for sure as would enforcing the rules on cycles and electric scooters on pavements.

They should make all the roads within half a mile of schools pedestrian only other than for residents - that would improve road safety no end and judging by the traffic jams around here at school times a lot greener too.

[Michael Rolls]

Pointless just about sums up the greens

[Ashy]

Imagine voting for that.

[JBR]

Pointless just about sums up the greens

Absolutely, and the Greenies seem to be acquiring more and more Pakistanis right now.
If there is no change before 2029, the GE will be effectively between Reform and the Greenies, though I now see a new party, 'Restore', piping up and who are likely to split the vote for Reform.
What a mess this country is becoming.