STARMER OUT....

[Scrumpy]

    STARMER OUT.... 
We must make sure that he and his government stay out..
  VOTE REFORM.. 

Just getting this off my chest.....

[klondike]

I thought you weren't all that sure of Farage?

I'll add if I haven't made clear before...

Both main parties have failed and shown no sign of having any answers to our problems that they are prepared to put in place. Neither deserve a vote.
The Lib Dems are a protest party lead by a buffoon and could even end up worse than Labour or Conservative
The Greens are undercover Marxists who would be worse.
Reform have no experience of government and would face an uphill struggle with the Lords, the Civil Service and all the public service unions.

In short I think we are likely Horlixed but the only party that stands any chance of pulling us through is Reform. Preferably by recruiting some actual conservatives from the Conservative Party with experience of government.

[GrannyMac]

The Civil Service, the Judiciary, much of the public sector will need to change.  I think it will only work for Reform in some sort of deal with the Tories.   I too hope it's not too late.

We need to get back to some sort of contributory system for benefits.  Action must be taken to address the lack of child support from so many absent parents, usually fathers. And every 16, 17, 18 year old not in education must work.  

Obviously those with severe disabilities are exempt.  But just not working should never be a choice.  When I think back to colleagues I've had who had all sorts of disabilities, I don't know how leadswingers get away with it.  Rant over.

[Raven]

While I agree with you GM it worries me as to where these jobs are for them to do, there aren't nearly as many as when we left school for one reason or other.
Attitudes of the young changed as well, somewhere along the line, our generation couldn't wait to leave school and start earning, Yes some are still like that but most aren't wanting to work.
More and more jobs are now being done by machines and employers don't/can't pay decent salaries. I really don't like the way things are going.

[JBR]

As Klon says, all of the long-standing parties have their drawbacks and, in some cases, have already demonstrated their lack of competence.
Yes, Gran points out quite correctly that some organisations, such as the civil service, the judiciary and the benefits system, the latter now dishing out benefits hand over fist to the illegals who should not even be here.
These problems have been in existence since around 1990, that's 35 years of damage by our so-called 'two main parties'.
Raven correctly points out that there are far fewer jobs for people to take up today, but I wonder how much of that problem has been created by the mismanagement of our past governments.

Reform will have a lot on their hands to attempt to undo all of this damage, it having been created and increased over such a long time.

I am worried that, because they have only four or five years to put everything right and, I am sure, being opposed by all the left: politicians, civil service, judges, and all the other presently overladen organisations which will simply act only to stand up for themselves, their long-needed success might not be achieved.

What will happen then?  Who will be elected next?  The emerging muslim party?
I am sure that we are looking forward to a continuation of the mess we are presently experiencing, though I sincerely hope that Reform can stop the rot.

[Scrumpy]

I thought you weren't all that sure of Farage?

I have always said that I do not like Farage the man.. There is something about him that I do not like..

However .. REFORM are the only party.. In my opinion, that care about the country... and who the majority are living in this country..

[Ashy]

We've tried the others and they got us where we are. 

[Raven]

I still think it won't be as easy as he makes out.

[JBR]

I still think it won't be as easy as he makes out.

No, it won't be easy.  In fact, the more damage Labour does, the more difficult it will be to do it.
I know I've said it before, that at least I am 73 and have no children to worry about, but I hope that many of our true British people do consider the future and vote wisely.  There does seem to be many people who still seem to support Labour, and I wonder why after everything they have done over a little over one year.

[klondike]

They are the ones who seem to think that doing the same thing again might lead to a different outcome next time....