Two children cap...

[Scrumpy]

Lifting the two children cap !!!

There was a woman on the TV today talking about the lifting of the two children cap..
She said she was struggling because of the cap..
She had SIX children.. 
What a bloody cheek... If she can't afford six children .. why have six children.. 
Ignorance at its very best..

My advise to her is ..
Put a cap on it..!!!

[Raven]

Agreed. There was a programme on the telly a while back about a couple with 22 children. MADNESS. 

[Michael Rolls]

Exactly

[Alex]

I agree it is madness and when you think about it, who has the biggest families  ?  Afghans, Somalians etc... having said that, the biggest family in UK with 22 children are Brits !   

[Raven]

Came across this on my FB Feed.

[Mups]

I agree it is madness and when you think about it, who has the biggest families  ?  Afghans, Somalians etc... having said that, the biggest family in UK with 22 children are Brits ! 

She must have to spend a lot of time doing  pelvic floor exercises.  

[Ashy]

For those who didn't know.

Two Children Cap in the English Benefits System
The Two Children Cap was a policy introduced in the UK in April 2017 as part of a broader welfare reform aimed at reducing government expenditure on benefits. This policy primarily affects Working Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, limiting the number of children for whom families can claim these benefits.
Key Features of the Policy

• Restriction on Child Tax Credit: Families can receive Child Tax Credit for a maximum of two children. Any additional children born after April 6, 2017, are not eligible for this benefit.
• Working Tax Credit: The same cap applies to the Working Tax Credit, which is designed to supplement the income of low-paid workers.
• Exemptions: There are some exceptions to this rule. For instance, families can still receive benefits for additional children if they meet certain conditions, such as multiple births (twins or triplets) or if the children were born as part of a kinship arrangement.

Purpose of the Cap
The main goal of the Two Children Cap was to control the growth of welfare spending and encourage families to manage their finances, while also simplifying the benefits system.
Controversy and Criticism
The policy faced significant criticism for potentially pushing families into poverty and affecting large families disproportionately. Critics argued that it might discourage families from having more children and affect children's welfare.


Today at 05:18:18 PM
If that summary from the internet is correct, it isn't a limit on families whose sole income is benefits, in fact it's a left handed benefit as it is a tax credit. Not being a CA advisor I can only go by what is written here, so if it is correct, the family of 94 where the parents have never worked will still get the full screw.

[Alex]

" or if the children were born as part of a kinship arrangement. "  What on earth does that mean  ?

[klondike]

 I asked ChatGPT. The answer below. Not sure I'm any the nearer. The world is getting a bit too complex for me these days...



You said
Part of an exception in legislation ...  or if the children were born as part of a kinship arrangement.    What is a kinship arrangement

ChatGPT said:
A kinship arrangement means the child was conceived or born through an agreement with relatives, rather than unrelated donors or surrogates.
In UK legal language, it normally covers situations like:

• A family member helping another family member to have a child — for example, a sister acting as a surrogate, or a relative donating sperm or eggs.
• Arrangements within an extended family where the adults already have a biological or social connection.

The key point: it isn't a commercial or anonymous-donor setup. It's reproduction assisted by someone who is already part of the wider family network.
These arrangements often come up in legislation because they can affect legal parentage, parental responsibility, and registration rules, since the relationships between the adults and the child are non-standard compared with typical IVF or surrogacy cases.

[Alex]

  much clearer, thank you 

[Ashy]

What we used to call "wife swapping" in the sixties.