Remembering the German bombers

Started by Flying Bomb, November 11, 2025, 01:32:39 PM

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JBR

Quote from: Vlad on November 12, 2025, 08:34:18 PMThe Strategic Rocket Forces were heavily depleted in 2024 having to provide a couple of battalions into the Ukrainian meat grinder along with an infantry battalion from the crew of the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov who were deployed to Kharkiv.
Having said that last year September]16 Regiment-sized elements (approximately 1,000 personnel and over 100 pieces of equipment) of the Russian 35th [with RS-24 Yars intercontinental ballistic missile systems...there were reported problems with 'missing batteries' for the launch systems.

(Nicked from RUSI)
Only 1000 personnel in 16 Regiments?

As a sideline, and I'm sure it must have been questioned before, how does Russia hope to substantiate its invasion of Ukraine, and even Crimea?  Ukraine is an independent country in East Europe, just like Poland.  The only difference is that Ukraine didn't attempt to join NATO.  I'm sure that if they had, Putin wouldn't have stuck his neck out.
In any event, I have the feeling that Putin is beginning to realise his mistake in trying to expand into an independent country.  Progress for him is very slow and Ukraine, to their credit, is standing up to him and almost certainly costing him and his country not only lives, but also money.
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klondike

Regiment-sized means it's 1,000 per regiment.

Ukraine had a puppet government sympathetic to Russia initially. Once Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 there was a border dispute which meant they couldn't join.

They did rely the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing their sovereignty in exchange for giving up the enormous stockpile of Soviet nukes in their possession. A treaty  signed by the US, Russia and the UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum Like all treaties they sign the Russians broke it when it suited them.

JBR

Quote from: klondike on November 13, 2025, 10:06:01 AMRegiment-sized means it's 1,000 per regiment.

Ukraine had a puppet government sympathetic to Russia initially. Once Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 there was a border dispute which meant they couldn't join.

They did rely the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing their sovereignty in exchange for giving up the enormous stockpile of Soviet nukes in their possession. A treaty  signed by the US, Russia and the UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum Like all treaties they sign the Russians broke it when it suited them.
Ah, I see.  Sorry for my misunderstanding.  Actually, I had thought that a typical infantry regiment comprised about 600 men.

As for Ukraine, I suppose that Ukraine's situation now is probably its own fault in being a Russian puppet-state.  They should have known better.  They do now!
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Vlad

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Quote from: JBR on November 13, 2025, 09:49:37 AMOnly 1000 personnel in 16 Regiments?

As a sideline, and I'm sure it must have been questioned before, how does Russia hope to substantiate its invasion of Ukraine, and even Crimea?  Ukraine is an independent country in East Europe, just like Poland.  The only difference is that Ukraine didn't attempt to join NATO.  I'm sure that if they had, Putin wouldn't have stuck his neck out.
In any event, I have the feeling that Putin is beginning to realise his mistake in trying to expand into an independent country.  Progress for him is very slow and Ukraine, to their credit, is standing up to him and almost certainly costing him and his country not only lives, but also money.
I thought the same, I will do another check with RUSI

November 13, 2025, 10:28:24 AM
Quote from: JBR on November 13, 2025, 10:13:57 AMAh, I see.  Sorry for my misunderstanding.  Actually, I had thought that a typical infantry regiment comprised about 600 men.

As for Ukraine, I suppose that Ukraine's situation now is probably its own fault in being a Russian puppet-state.  They should have known better.  They do now!
Just thinking but must check whether a nuclear regiment is somewhat smaller than an infantry regiment which is more man power intensive? 

klondike

Quote from: JBR on November 13, 2025, 10:13:57 AMAs for Ukraine, I suppose that Ukraine's situation now is probably its own fault in being a Russian puppet-state.  They should have known better.  They do now!
You imagine that the Ukranians had any choice in the matter????  :rolleyes:

When the Soviet Union collapsed and the various portions became republics there is zero chance that the regional governments which became the various republics' governments would have held elections. They just continued to cling on to power. It is why there is still considerable corruption left in Ukraine even now.

As an aside I have no idea how big a regiment is I was just putting forward my interpretation of Vlad's wording.

Vlad

Got this off Wikki

Missile Brigades/Regiments: Units using mobile or silo-based systems like the RS-24 Yars or Iskander missiles are often organized into brigades or regiments. For example, as of June 2025, Russia has 13 rocket brigades equipped with Iskander systems, with each brigade having 12 launcher units. The number of personnel in a specific "nuclear regiment" varies based on its precise role, equipment, and organizational structure within the overall Strategic Rocket Forces.


Doesn't give numbers though

Michael Rolls

In our set up, the fighting unit is the battalion. A regiment for infantry, etc., can have, and in time of war, did, have a number of battalions, so you see references to things like the 2nd, the Warwickshires, etc. made that one up, don't know if it really existed
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Vlad

Quote from: Michael Rolls on November 13, 2025, 11:42:11 AMIn our set up, the fighting unit is the battalion. A regiment for infantry, etc., can have, and in time of war, did, have a number of battalions, so you see references to things like the 2nd, the Warwickshires, etc. made that one up, don't know if it really existed
✔️ or the 1st Battalion Foot and Mouth, and the 2nd battalion Herbaceous Borderers? 😃

JBR

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Quote from: Vlad on November 13, 2025, 10:32:43 AMGot this off Wikki

Missile Brigades/Regiments: Units using mobile or silo-based systems like the RS-24 Yars or Iskander missiles are often organized into brigades or regiments. For example, as of June 2025, Russia has 13 rocket brigades equipped with Iskander systems, with each brigade having 12 launcher units. The number of personnel in a specific "nuclear regiment" varies based on its precise role, equipment, and organizational structure within the overall Strategic Rocket Forces.


Doesn't give numbers though
My apologies, I thought you were talking about British regiments/battalions.  I believed that in the UK, infantry regiments usually now comprise only one battalion, and that numbers around 600 men.  I'm not sure how many women, if any, are in infantry battalions.

As for Russian units, especially 'nuclear regiments', I have absolutely no idea.  As for the UK, I assume that our army doesn't possess any 'nuclear regiments' (whatever they are), as our nuclear deterrent is part of the Royal Navy.  I'm not sure either, whether the RAF still possesses any nuclear bombs, though I doubt it.
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ansu

As to the NATO and the Ukrainia, they wanted to join it in 2008, but it was blocked among others by our Mrs. Merkel - later Mrs. Merkel said that she had feared that that would happen what happened in 2014 and 2022. You are right, Putin can't be trusted, he neither respected the Budapest nor the Minsk agreement. He is still dreaming of the Zar's empire or Stalin's country resp. Moreover, you mustn't forget that there are a lot of natural resources in the Ukrainia, especially in the Dombas.

Michael Rolls

Which Trump seems willing to surrender to Putin in all respects
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