Kindergarten Children Attacked in Germany

[Scrumpy]

A cliff would do just as well, and the tide should wash away any bodily fluids afterwards.

We have enough crap in our waters without their crap.

[klondike]

Or the Russian approach - dangerous high rise windows.

[Scrumpy]

I have always believed that the most serious of crimes - murder - should be punished by death.  Our modern version of the traditional death penalty of hanging provides an instant and painless death when performed by an expert.  It is quick and cheap to perform compared to some other options.

On example is the strangely complicated method used in America, which I believe entails a series of 'automated' injections of various cocktails of chemicals and takes several minutes to complete.  Another of their methods of terminating life is the electric chair which, I assume from appearances, must shake up and cause pain to the victim.
Another method which has been used in time of war has been shooting by a firing squad.  No doubt very quick and probably painless, but on the other hand relatively expensive compared to a reusable rope.

Yes, my vote goes to death by hanging but, in fairness, performed by an expert.  If it ever happens, we're going to have to learn how to do it properly as, I believe, we no longer have any people who have ever done it!

My vote goes to the most painful one.. and the one that takes the longest..

I can't imagine the pain that some have caused their victims to suffer..

I can't imagine the pain of the parents who have lost a child by the brutal hands of a killer..
Their pain will go on forever..

Why should the killer have a painless death.. ?

[Cassandra]

I agree with Mups, Cass and thank you.

Do you think cessation of criminal life will ever return to the statute book?

The simple truth is that in the modern world too much emphasis is placed upon the perpetrator's position. From the liberal influencer's within Chambers, to the benches themselves are selected because of their known dispositions. Fifty years ago we knew who was who and as much as we tried to dodge these 'flouncers' the DPP would play 'check-mate' with us over selection. Today the flouncers are in the great majority and ongoing ascendancy as people like Starmer and the wet Tories of May and Cameron have assured endemic perpetuance, of these weak and woke officials. Some cases are just too big however for even the 'wet wigs' to be able to dodge. Notably, Julian Goose is a sombre man of reasonability and was probably selected by Starmer 'to do a job'. For the PM the consequences of wetdom would have been too much, for even him to absorb.

So to answer your question I foresee no avail in this attitude and consequently therefore no change in the next 20 years at least. Generatively who knows how Gen Zee will want laws adjudicated - or whether they will even care either way? The future perhaps will be justively a barren empty world of disinterest and inertia, tolerant of escalating horror with accompanative leaner sentencing and 'home-prison' served terms more prevalent  ...

[dextrous63]

Thanks Cass.  It's a pity really that by and large the non-capital punishment system isn't really seem to have worked quite as well as one might have hoped.  Sure, no doubt some innocents haven't been sent to the gallows, but in this day and age with better technology there will be incidents in which there is zero possibility of any doubt whatsoever in identifying the murderer involved.

January 24, 2025, 01:31:35 PM

My vote goes to the most painful one.. and the one that takes the longest..

I can't imagine the pain that some have caused their victims to suffer..

I can't imagine the pain of the parents who have lost a child by the brutal hands of a killer..
Their pain will go on forever..

Why should the killer have a painless death.. ?

Because we are supposed to at least try to remain civilised about this.  I keep on banging my drum about this, but IMHO we debase ourselves if we get a sense of pleasure from wanting someone to suffer more than needs be, and a corollary of this is that it seems excessively cruel to lock someone up for the rest of their lives.

We shouldn't be after revenge, surely🤷🏻�♂️

[Cassandra]

Thanks Cass.  It's a pity really that by and large the non-capital punishment system isn't really seem to have worked quite as well as one might have hoped.  Sure, no doubt some innocents haven't been sent to the gallows, but in this day and age with better technology there will be incidents in which there is zero possibility of any doubt whatsoever in identifying the murderer involved.

I agree, where doubt is beyond possibility due to either DNA or indisputable multi witness conviction I would vote in favour of the death sentence being restored. My father was at the bench in the times where it did apply and prosecuted a number of cases that ended upon the gallows. He told me of the real fear such conclusions imposed upon the 'criminal clsses. However for those whose psychotic malaise was proven, such penaltues were incapable of consideration, but they were mainly excluded from death by them of course ...

[Mups]

Thanks Cass.  It's a pity really that by and large the non-capital punishment system isn't really seem to have worked quite as well as one might have hoped.  Sure, no doubt some innocents haven't been sent to the gallows, but in this day and age with better technology there will be incidents in which there is zero possibility of any doubt whatsoever in identifying the murderer involved.

January 24, 2025, 01:31:35 PMBecause we are supposed to at least try to remain civilised about this.  I keep on banging my drum about this, but IMHO we debase ourselves if we get a sense of pleasure from wanting someone to suffer more than needs be, and a corollary of this is that it seems excessively cruel to lock someone up for the rest of their lives.

We shouldn't be after revenge, surely🤷🏻�♂️

Are you serious, Dex? 
 It's all very well lecturing about how we should behave,  but it not your  daughter this has happened to,  so you won't be able to feel like they do.

I wonder if you would be so calm and civilised if your lovely daughter was stabbed to death and cut into bits by some mad weirdo, and through no fault of her own?

It is surely any parent's natural reaction, through shock, hurt,  and disbelief,  to want revenge.  I can fully understand that.
I can't imagine their hurt and grief,  and 'being reasonable'  is probably the last thing they want to be.
 
They are not like us, sitting here all calm and collected,  with no emotional involvment whatsoever.
These sickening events change people's life forever and they can never forget.

[dextrous63]

But Mups, we aren't the parents.  Of course I can well imagine that they want this fruitcake to suffer as much as possible.

But that doesn't mean we should seek revenge on their behalf.

[Mups]

It's called Empathy,  Dex.    A natural reaction of many, many other people.

Anyway,  it looks like we aint gonna agree on this,  so I'll leave it at that.

[dextrous63]

Okey dokey.

Don't get me wrong, I think his life should cease but not out of anger nor revenge, but because I honestly believe that his continued existence does way more harm than good.

[Diasi]

Cass will correct me if I'm wrong & I'm only talking ball park numbers anyway, but we could at least adopt the USA sentencing rules & give killers like him sentences of, say, 90 years per offence to run consecutively.

The USA seems to favour determinate sentences where a convicted killer or child rapist is given a definite release date, albeit in 30,000 years time.

"If we can't kill you then we'll see you rot" is a term attributed to some in the USA Judiciary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Scott_Robinson

[dextrous63]

It's the fact that he was 17 when he committed the act.  FWIW, I would have  given him an extra 5 years for contempt of court, which he committed when he was 18.

[Mups]

It's the fact that he was 17 when he committed the act.  FWIW, I would have  given him an extra 5 years for contempt of court, which he committed when he was 18.

Yes, that's right,  but apparently he was only about -  was it -  8 or 11 days away from his 18th!

Perhaps that age ought to be lowered a little now,  it maybe deter all the young people who carry knives nowadays?

[dextrous63]

Why not remove the age barrier entirely?

[klondike]

Labour want the voting age reduced to 16 so perhaps they'll think that too. I wouldn't put any money on it though.