For once I agree with a Pope

[klondike]

Probably not for the same reason the Pope has because rightly or wrongly I have it in my head that the Catholic church has rather mysogonistic views.

Pope Francis: Gender Ideology Is the 'Worst Danger' of Our Time

ROME — Pope Francis warned against the evil of "gender ideology" Friday and its tendency to obliterate the real differences between men and women.

"Today the worst danger is gender ideology, which cancels out differences," the pontiff stated in off-the-cuff remarks before his opening address to participants in an international conference titled "Man-Woman Image of God" held in the Vatican's synod hall.

The pope told a group of Polish bishops in 2016:

Today, schools are teaching children — children! — that everyone can choose their own sex. And why is this being taught? Because their textbooks are chosen by the people and institutions that give money. This is ideological colonization, promoted by very influential nations. This is terrible.

In response to the pope's words, Francis DeBernardo, the executive director of New Ways Ministry — a "Catholic" LGBT advocacy group — said that the Pope was ignorant about LGBT issues.

"Nobody chooses a gender identity. They discover it. Transgender people come to know themselves in a process is [sic] similar to the way that lesbian, gay, and bisexual people discover their sexual orientation," DeBernardo said.

In his letter on marriage and the family, Amoris Laetitia ("The Joy of Love"), Pope Francis underscored the unique value of motherhood and fatherhood, neither of which is dispensable or replaceable with a unisex version of "parent."

Full story: https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2024/03/02/pope-francis-gender-ideology-is-the-worst-danger-of-our-time/

Meanwhile....

Woke Church of England Posts Job for Anti-Racist Officer to 'Deconstruct Whiteness'

The Church of England has sparked backlash after posting a job for an anti-racism official who will be tasked with the mission of "deconstructing whiteness".

This week, the Church of England Dioceses in the West Midlands announced that it is looking for an "anti-racism practice officer" who will be paid £36,000 per year.

The posting stated that the position would entail identifying "internal and external resistance to addressing issues of anti-racism in a way that develops understandings of equality and positions everyone to take an equal role".

Additionally, the job would include developing a consultancy for clergy and others to help "engage in challenging institutional and individual racism and facilitate the development of channels through which this can happen."

More: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/03/02/woke-church-of-england-posts-job-for-anti-racist-officer-to-deconstruct-whiteness/

I just thank God that I'm an atheist 

[JBR]

Very interesting.
The RC church is demonstrating its ability to retain common sense.
At the same time, the CofE church is demonstrating is woke nonsense.

It is known that the numbers who subscribe to the CofE in this country are reducing noticeably.
I wonder whether many of those people are converting to Roman Catholicism.

The CofE was founded in the 1530s.
I wonder whether it might fall apart as early as some time in the 2030s.
All the historic cathedrals in this country might, logically, transfer themselves to the RC church.

[Scrumpy]

The CofE church is slowly falling from grace.... 
I live near a CofE church.. not as busy as it once was..
We used to have weddings every Saturday .. There would be many people standing outside the church to see a local marriage.. and the bells would ring out..
I haven't noticed one for ages..
 The bells do not ring out on a Sunday morning.. and the vicar is not known to me..  Changing times..

[klondike]

I wonder whether it might fall apart as early as some time in the 2030s.
All the historic cathedrals in this country might, logically, transfer themselves to the RC church.

Or be converted into migrant accomodation.

[GrannyMac]

Or be converted into migrant accomodation.

If they are turned unto HMOs, its possible.

A friend lives in a flat in a converted church.  It was expensive, but it's lovely.  The reconfiguration has been done really well.   

[klondike]

They'd need to be converted to mosques with guest accommodation probably.

[JBR]

They'd need to be converted to mosques with guest accommodation probably.

In all seriousness, that is what is happening to some small churches, either mosques of carpet warehouses.

Cathedrals are another matter.
Firstly, they are the last Christian places of worship to be given up.  They are far too big (and cold) to be used as housing, although if Christianity does disappear they could conceivably be used as museums and I'm sure there are other non-religious options.

[ansu]

Germans are of the opinion that the Roman Catholic Church needs to be reformed and there's a severe discussion between Pope Franziskus and the German archbishops in this respect at the moment. 

[JBR]

Germans are of the opinion that the Roman Catholic Church needs to be reformed and there's a severe discussion between Pope Franziskus and the German archbishops in this respect at the moment.

That's interesting.
I have never personally been attracted to the RC church, even when I thought I was a Christian (no doubt due to persuasive brainwashing!).
However, on the other hand, it can provide incentives and persuasion to lead a good and honest life.
As I say, I don't have any personal experience of the RC church and, consequently, I have no idea about what some suggest needs 'reforming'.

Admittedly, from my limited perspective (eg, a recent funeral), the RC church has a rather more formal set of procedures than the more laid-back (except for coronations!) ones of the CofE, but even these I found somewhat interesting and even entertaining.  Of course, they were new to me.

[muddy]

Wishy washy religions don't attract anyone .
Like children people look for an orderly and regulated  life .
The Catholic Church ( used to ) provide this .
Follow the rules = heaven
Do the other = hell.

There you go sorted .

[Scrumpy]

Absolutely..
We do not need big ornate buildings to worship anyone..
We do not need someone to point out the rules of (our) beliefs.
We do not need to gather..
Live life the best you can.. Try to do the best you can.
So, we get it wrong sometimes.. !!
We are all human..

[JBR]

Absolutely..
We do not need big ornate buildings to worship anyone..
We not need someone to point out the rules of (our) beliefs.
We do not need to gather..
Live life the best you can.. Try to do the best you can.
So, we get it wrong sometimes.. !!
We are all human..

I certainly don't.  The only person I worship is Marge.
I do, however, like large historic cathedrals for their architectural attraction, and their organs of course.

[Alex]

I love cathedrals and churches and always have a wander round whenever I'm away.  Just imagine today's brickkies, (not sure if we'd have enough stonemasons to cope) trying to build Notre Dame.

[1955vintage]

There seems to be a growing trend of turning pubs into Indian restaurants.

[Sheila]

My first MIL said that our children (her grandchildren) were illegitimate because we had not been married in a RC church!  She had very little money, probably because she had so many children, but that didn't stop the priest visiting every Friday for his donation.