The boring thread.....

[Vlad]

People said 'evil' about Thomas Cromwell as well. Hilary Mantel has a reputation as a good researcher, but who can really tell at this distance in time.  The Tudors were a questionable lot at best. A lot of written documents have survived, but how much credence can be given to them?  The people who wrote them could only give their own perspective and that may have been governed by fear of what would happen to them if they fell into the wrong hands. Wasn't it Thomas More who began the rumour the Richard III was a hunchback? 


Yesterday at 06:43:32 PMI am glad Liffey is OK, MUps.

Maybe you would have better luck if your vets supplied hearing aids for you - your local NHS seem inefficient to say the least.

Ahhh I hadn't read that about Richard 111, I must get hold of a copy of A Manf for all Seasons, I have a preference physical books.

[Silver Tabby]

Another Pimms Person hoo rah! We must form a club, 😀 btw Hilary Mantel painted a very bad picture of Thomas More, he was quite evil according to what I read in Wolf Hall

Somehow my reply to this became mixed up with my reply to Mups - and, no, it wasn't a Pimms moment!

Anyway - second attempt -  People said 'evil' about Thomas Cromwell as well. Hilary Mantel has a reputation as a good researcher, but who can really tell at this distance in time.  The Tudors were a questionable lot at best. A lot of written documents have survived, but how much credence can be given to them?  The people who wrote them could only give their own perspective and that may have been governed by fear of what would happen to them if they fell into the wrong hands. Wasn't it Thomas More who began the rumour the Richard III was a hunchback? 


Yesterday at 08:01:53 PM
"Sir Thomas More's unfinished History of King Richard III, written around 1513, is the foundational text that cemented Richard's reputation as a monstrous tyrant. More depicted Richard as a physically deformed, ruthless usurper who allegedly murdered his nephews (the Princes in the Tower) and ruled through fear."
 

[muddy]

Poor old Richard the Third .
Courageous betrayed and maligned .
I always liked him so much so I once nearly joined the Richard 111 society .

[Silver Tabby]

Poor old Richard the Third .
Courageous betrayed and maligned .
I always liked him so much so I once nearly joined the Richard 111 society .

He was certainly a lot better than some of them - and did not kill the princes in the tower.  I will never believe that - he had no motive anyway.

[muddy]

Henry Tudor was the probable culprit  he couldn't leave any possible Plantagenet claimants hanging  about .

[Silver Tabby]

Henry Tudor was the probable culprit  he couldn't leave any possible Plantagenet claimants hanging  about .

I believe you could be right there, Muddy.

[muddy]

The story of how they found the remains of Richard 111 is fascinating .

The Kings Grave  by Philippa Langley ( who found it ) 

[klondike]

I live near the battlefield. Shane the place you visit is apparently a few miles away from the real site.

https://www.google.com/search?q=location+of+battle+of+bosworth+incorrect&newwindow=1

For centuries, historians and the Bosworth Battlefield Heritage Centre mistakenly believed the 1485 battle occurred on Ambion Hill. Groundbreaking archaeological surveys conducted between 2005 and 2010 revealed the actual site is located roughly 3.2 km (2 miles) southwest of the hill, straddling the historic Fenn Lane.

The true battle site was pinpointed through the discovery of the largest collection of medieval cannonballs in Britain, a silver-gilt boar badge worn by Richard III's supporters, and lead shot from early firearms. Unlike the elevated, dry slopes of Ambion Hill, the actual battlefield is a flat, marshy area situated near Fenn Lane Farm.

While the official visitor center remains a great hub for historical information, the physical clash that ended the Plantagenet dynasty took place in these adjacent farmlands.

[Silver Tabby]

I am glad 'they' finally found him - just wish he had been brought to York, as it it is, allegedly, where he wanted to be buried.

Today at 09:32:46 AM

The story of how they found the remains of Richard 111 is fascinating .

The Kings Grave  by Philippa Langley ( who found it )

I have not read the book - but have seen both the documentary and the film.   It is incredible that they managed to find, albeit very distant, relatives to compare the DNA.  Richard did a lot to reform the Law Courts, and to make justice available to all.