How much thought do they give this stuff?

Started by klondike, October 04, 2022, 08:48:00 AM

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Cut Gas Use by 13% to Avoid Blackouts This Winter, IEA Warns Europe

Ofgem declared that "there is a possibility of GB entering into a gas supply emergency" this winter and lays out what would happen in the event of this happening i.e., when insufficient gas is available to supply the gas network at any wholesale price. It turns out that Ofgem would seek to reduce demand by telling the largest gas users to switch off their plant. These, it adds, "will likely be large gas-fired power stations". In other words, electricity generation will be sacrificed in order to maintain gas supply to households. The owners of the gas-fired stations will be paid compensation if they are unable to fulfil supply contracts, but that won't help to keep the lights on.

"In other words, electricity generation will be sacrificed in order to maintain gas supply to households."
I'm just wondering. How well does your gas boiler work when the electric is off? Does it have a clockwork pump and Duracell powered control circuitry or something? I don't think mine does. 


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Don't panic, I think it means that more solid fuel, that is wood and coal, will be burnt to make electricity, unless it's windy etc.


I guess we'll know by March whether or not the lights stayed on.


Just received a big stock of logs for my wood burner.
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They know that Boilers need electricity, for them its a win win. Everything off.

Boris and his wretched green wife have a lot to answer for, as do Blair, Brown, Cameron and Mata May!
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Michael Rolls

there are now rather more than half a million electric cars on the road (out of 33 million). Not clear if the figure is for 'pure' electric or whether it includes plug-in hybrids, but the newspaper article made the point that 12 months ago there were 5 electric vehicles for every publicly available charging point. Now the figure is 15:1.
Unless there is a dramatic improvement, it looks as though the infrastructure is going to be very hard pressed!
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Good joke Ashy ! but I guess it's not really a joke, but a look into the future....  There's no way I could replace my banger with an electric car BUT even if I had the money I don't think I'd want one, is it just another fad ?


Most will be charging them at home as public charging is both expensive and inconvenient but you are spot on that there need to be a lot more to make this viable.

What else will need a big upgrade is the grid capacity and the local cabling. When my son had a charger put in his neighbour's power had to be modified to go back to the street cable as it had been put in by the builders by looping on from my son's house. Guess who pays for that? Not the neighbour. Not my son either.

There is not a cat in hell's chance that this upgrade can me made in the remaining 8 years. Meanwhile the political idiots are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing "I can't hear you I can't hear you. Windmills windmills I can't hear you"

Excuse of the future - sorry boss I can't get in to work today there isn't any wind.


I note that the price doesn't come down on windy and sunny days.


Worse than that - mine is supposed to be Green Energy yet the price has gone up because gas has. 


I'm afraid that it is all a scam. Run by the club and we ain't members.

Michael Rolls

As I mentioned in my earlier post there are now over half a million electric vehicles in the UK and article I read claimed the number as 570,000, representing 15 vehicles for every publicly accessible charging points. That represents 38,000 charging points.
There are 33,000,000 vehicles on our roads. The sale of petrol and diesel vehicles is to be banned by 2030, and hybrids by 2035. Presumably, at some point in the indeterminate future, it is expected that all vehicles will be electrically powered. Leaving aside the many implications of funding the necessary batteries, including how to depose of them when they expire, what do those numbers imply for the charging infrastructure?
The Telegraph article pointed out that 12 months ago, the ration of vehicles to public charge points was 5:1, and now it is 15:1. The implication was that 15:1 is unsatisfactory, but stick with that number for the moment.
If we ever get to point where all 33 million vehicles are electric, the 15:1 ratio needs 2,200,000 charge points. If we look at 5:1 that means a need of 6,600,000.  Compared to the current level (assuming the article's numbers are correct, the jump from 38,000 to either of those levels is truly staggering.
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