The New Prime Minister / Runners and Riders

Started by Cassandra, July 07, 2022, 10:19:02 PM

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Cassandra

A Likely list / (and how they voted in the 2016 Referendum)

Remoaners:
Wallace       
Truss         
Hunt         
Schapps       
Sunak         
Javid         
Hancock        (Amazing but he's serious)

Leavers
Mordaunt     
Baker         
Frost         
Davis         
Braverman     
Gove          (if you could ever believe him)
Zahawi

Probably likely that Hancock's bid is because he hasn't been sectioned yet?  Sunak and Javid are both socially damaged goods and Schapps will struggle to get in round one, where they all need an 8 vote minimum to qualify. Hopefully the Remoaner's will diversify themselves around a bit and the Leavers will all unite right through.

Tory members (included in last round as voters, along with MP's) might make Steve Baker (51) an unexpected success. He's very popular with the activists and 4 years younger than Johnson was at 55 was when he got the keys in 2019.  Lord David Frost (57) is unlikely to be in with a chance. Constitutionally he could serve as PM (as Lord Douglas Hume did in '64) and a constituency be then 'found' for him but it's an encumbrance of circumstance this time I believe?.

David Davis (74) would be a good choice as a 'stand in' Premier in preparation for Frost/Baker in the next General Election in say 2024? However the Remoaners would have their own schemes to leap frog either Wallace or Truss through. Hunt is very much last weeks unwashed pants it hopefully seems?

Zahawi, The dark horse! I've always thought a very capable man too and could also show well with the members
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klondike

I thought I heard that Gove had ruled himself out which surprised me. I can't stand him since his scheming misfired and saddled us with May. Certainly in the last two years none of them have brought much joy to me. I hadn't realised that David Davis was that old. For me that would rule him out which is a shame as he and Frost seem to be closest to my views. Which should certainly ensure neither get the job.

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Diasi

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Quote from: Cassandra on July 07, 2022, 10:19:02 PMTory members (included in last round as voters, along with MP's) might make Steve Baker (51) an unexpected success. He's very popular with the activists


He's very popular with the activists

Which is why I predict he won't make it to the membership vote.

When Cameron resigned, Andrea Leadsom, a staunch Brexiter, was the activists' candidate of choice by a country mile, which is why a Remainer in the Tory Party stirred up the hornets' nest about her saying something involving her knowing  more about children than Theresa May, who hadn't had any children, did.

This led to Andrea withdrawing & staunch Remainer May being shoe-horned in as PM without any membership vote.

Steve Baker was the chairman of the Tory Brexiteer ERG which scuppered May's attempts to keep us in the EU.

I predict the membership will have to vote between Wallace & Hunt, both committed Remainers.

Hunt is a gaffe-prone moronic May supporter who called his Japanese wife Chinese when on a visit to Beijing when in the Foreign Office & one of the worst Health Ministers of any Government.

He's nothing but May in trousers as the New Statesman calls him.


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"Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal".  (Cassandra)

Cassandra

By activists I meant common or garden Tory members Phil, like I used to be. Watching GB news earlier, their poll had Baker at the top.

May is a true field toilet, looks OK until you open the door and not somewhere to hang about in. She's not there this time and her putrid supporters Barwell, Gauke, Gyimah, Hammond, Grieve, Berger, Goldsmith, Soubry (yuk, pass the sick bag please), et al. were all big hitters in their time and now thank God are long gone. The Red Wallers's are now very aware that the Reds are definitely under the bed now too.
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Scrumpy


I find this thread very informative and interesting..
I know little of politics.. and this helps..  
Don't ask me.. I know nuffink..

klondike

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You'd possibly be happier right now if you didn't understand....

Soon to be the only booming enterprise in the land...



July 08, 2022, 12:31:07 PM
One thing about Boris was he seemed to be still chipper even giving his resignation speech.

Unlike...


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Jacqueline

Why dosen't Boris form his own political party?  My dream team would be, and only because I like them, they would probably not agree on anything and likely kill each other,  Boris, Nigel Farage,  Laurence Fox and Neil Oliver but save him for Nicola's job - what do you think Raven?

klondike

There are already new parties out there you could probably support but our first past the post electoral system means your vote will count for precisely nothing.

The Brexit Party has rebranded and has been running in the recent by elections. Didn't know? That's because they just get reported as Others if at all.

https://www.reformparty.uk/

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Diasi

Quote from: Diasi on July 07, 2022, 10:48:16 PMHe's very popular with the activists

Which is why I predict he won't make it to the membership vote.

When Cameron resigned, Andrea Leadsom, a staunch Brexiter, was the activists' candidate of choice by a country mile, which is why a Remainer in the Tory Party stirred up the hornets' nest about her saying something involving her knowing  more about children than Theresa May, who hadn't had any children, did.

This led to Andrea withdrawing & staunch Remainer May being shoe-horned in as PM without any membership vote.

Steve Baker was the chairman of the Tory Brexiteer ERG which scuppered May's attempts to keep us in the EU.

I predict the membership will have to vote between Wallace & Hunt, both committed Remainers.

Hunt is a gaffe-prone moronic May supporter who called his Japanese wife Chinese when on a visit to Beijing when in the Foreign Office & one of the worst Health Ministers of any Government.

He's nothing but May in trousers as the New Statesman calls him.


I've amended my post to read will have to vote between Wallace & Hunt, both committed Remainers as Baker & Hunt made no sense.
Make every day count, each day is precious.
"Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal".  (Cassandra)

Cassandra

I think Truss is emerging as a bit of an intellectual lightweight thank goodness. Hunt's eyes have gone stary recently, redolent of Jack Nicholson in 'The Smiling' somehow? For the Remoaners, Wallace has the best chance.

I've always like JRM - but he's a bit 'clingy' to Boris and not very popular up North course, as yet another Old Etonian, he's far too posh and Southerncentric. Intellectually probably the best though? Also, rather importantly he hasn't declared yet, although it's a fast moving frame just now!

As long as it's a leaver I'm happy. I really like Suella Braverman (The Attorney General) aged 42, married 2 children, fierce Brexiteer and a very good mind. Indian extraction her parents came here from Mauritius in 1960, a Buddhist, not a Muslim. Perhaps we need a balanced, intelligent female mind right now and I believe this lady lines up?

Still a member of the Conservatives, I will vote for the same reason last time - Brexit. Margaret came from nowhere to oust Heath in 1975 and I have a fancy that Suella could do the same job, but directly as PM now.

Starmer's diatribe this morning over a 'no confidence vote' was stunningly immature and flooded with naivete. His 'gung ho' attitude embarrasses me as a fellow in our chosen profession. Let Boris, the fallen man serve his time usefully as caretaker? As long as his wretched spouse keeps away from sponsoring more Green rubbish and he desists from promising more bullets (that we don't have) to Ukraine, he should be utilised as scenery before the next act enters stage right (hopefully not left!). In that way he could mimic Biden as an example.
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Diasi

Quote from: Cassandra on July 08, 2022, 04:49:57 PMStill a member of the Conservatives, I will vote for the same reason last time - Brexit. Margaret came from nowhere to oust Heath in 1975 and I have a fancy that Suella could do the same job, but directly as PM now.


And I will also vote for whichever candidiate is a Brexiteer.

But I'd prefer Steve Baker.
Make every day count, each day is precious.
"Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal".  (Cassandra)

Cassandra

Quote from: Diasi on July 08, 2022, 06:53:36 PMAnd I will also vote for whichever candidiate is a Brexiteer.

But I'd prefer Steve Baker.


Wouldn't argue with that at all, I don't mind either, Baker's very open and refreshing and also pulls a lot of support from the 1922 committee. I hear they also get on well together too! One as PM, the other as deputy, now that would pin Starmer and his'Dinger' growler back a bit!
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Alex

Interesting to see how they all voted in the Referendum  !   :upvote:

Diasi

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Quote from: Cassandra on July 08, 2022, 10:06:48 PMWouldn't argue with that at all, I don't mind either, Baker's very open and refreshing and also pulls a lot of support from the 1922 committee. I hear they also get on well together too! One as PM, the other as deputy, now that would pin Starmer and his'Dinger' growler back a bit!

That would be a good combination.

Talking of Starmer & the Growler, I see that Durham Police didn't deem eating & drinking in the Durham Labour Party offices to be outside the lockdown rules as work had taken place.

I always thought that work took place in number 10.
Make every day count, each day is precious.
"Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal".  (Cassandra)

Diasi

I most certainly won't be voting for Tom Tugendhat who's a staunch committed remainer.

Also  he's related to a Judge called Tugendhat, or Tugendtwat as he was known on one of the McCann forums.

Justice Tugendtwat helped to crush a retired solicitor who published a book that challenged the McCann's account of what happened to their daughter.
Make every day count, each day is precious.
"Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal".  (Cassandra)