Kindergarten Children Attacked in Germany

[dextrous63]

IIRC the removal of corporal punishment in schools started in the 1980s, and non-physical-contact of any sort at all followed in the ensuing decade or so.  Well intentioned, seemingly well thought out (violence begets violence, and hence cutting violence will lead to less violence, etc).

The children from those days have had children and even grandchildren.

So, has the theory borne out the evidence?  That's the question.  If not, and moreover if things have got worse, then perhaps it's time to try a different route, even if that means reversing previous decisions.  Nothing wrong with learning from one's mistakes.

[muddy]

In people from other cultures  physical punishment is often the norm .

[Mups]

You'll never believe what I read in this morning's paper -   Journalists found online recipes, including videos, and manuals  on how to make  the poison this maniac had,  Ricin!   

They also used Google to also find an online manual on how to make bombs!!
Tik Tok had instructions on how to "make the production easier."

Google, YouTube and TikTok  have all now removed this information.

But my questions are,  why was this ever allowed in the first place?   
How much has already been made before these sites were taken down?   
And how many more nutters have 'saved' the info before it was removed?

The world's gone mad.

[JBR]

IIRC the removal of corporal punishment in schools started in the 1980s, and non-physical-contact of any sort at all followed in the ensuing decade or so.  Well intentioned, seemingly well thought out (violence begets violence, and hence cutting violence will lead to less violence, etc).

The children from those days have had children and even grandchildren.

So, has the theory borne out the evidence?  That's the question.  If not, and moreover if things have got worse, then perhaps it's time to try a different route, even if that means reversing previous decisions.  Nothing wrong with learning from one's mistakes.

I'm pretty sure that the removal of corporal punishment in schools appears not to have been entirely successful!  I'm pretty sure that there are not many people now over the age of 40 who behave in the way we are talking about.  Similarly, as the death penalty for murder has now been long gone, I believe we are hearing about more murders that when I was young.

Both corporal punishment and hanging really now should be reconsidered unless we are happy of the sort of country we now live in.  However, for some reason I suspect that such penalties are more likely to be replaced eventually by options like removal of a hand or being pushed off a high building.

[Cassandra]

Cass will correct me if I'm wrong & I'm only talking ball park numbers anyway, but we could at least adopt the USA sentencing rules & give killers like him sentences of, say, 90 years per offence to run consecutively.

The USA seems to favour determinate sentences where a convicted killer or child rapist is given a definite release date, albeit in 30,000 years time.

"If we can't kill you then we'll see you rot" is a term attributed to some in the USA Judiciary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Scott_Robinson

The trouble in my opinion over here (US) is 'Plea Bargaining'. In NYS for example only 3% of prosecutions ever reach a Court. The Democrat States of course, lead the way and its a pitch for a deal and I generally disagree with it as a principal. I think the 18 year old rule just has to stand, after all whats the point of a rule if it's ignored?

Rudakabana would never have faced the death penalty if it had existed anyway. A competent plea for again, 'Mens Rea' would have been easy to convince a Jury with. Therefore Manslaughter '1' would have been the highest penalty he had to face. Was his mind disturbed at the time of the slaughter, or merely altered? We have to reason that in today's world of Muslim terrorism that continues to both prevail and expand, it is now the norm. After all we openly discuss grooming and violence as merely a contention of expression by Terrorists. I believe the law needs revision to allow prosecution for Terrorist zealots to be dealt with. 'Mens Rea' must be outside the consideration for mitigation and the Death Penalty applicable, not only as a deterrent but more importantly as a competent means of sanitised disposal and overall efficiency. The Southport devil will have cost the voters millions by the time he's dead and God knows how many others he will userp and conflate to the cause, whilst he's in prison's or hospitals. Expect more furore soon, when his appeal is heard too. Personally I expect a reduction to his sentence, as the Socialist wets take up the cudgel for his release after 15 years!

[JBR]

The trouble in my opinion over here (US) is 'Plea Bargaining'. In NYS for example only 3% of prosecutions ever reach a Court. The Democrat States of course, lead the way and its a pitch for a deal and I generally disagree with it as a principal. I think the 18 year old rule just has to stand, after all whats the point of a rule if it's ignored?

Rudakabana would never have faced the death penalty if it had existed anyway. A competent plea for again, 'Mens Rea' would have been easy to convince a Jury with. Therefore Manslaughter '1' would have been the highest penalty he had to face. Was his mind disturbed at the time of the slaughter, or merely altered? We have to reason that in today's world of Muslim terrorism that continues to both prevail and expand, it is now the norm. After all we openly discuss grooming and violence as merely a contention of expression by Terrorists. I believe the law needs revision to allow prosecution for Terrorist zealots to be dealt with. 'Mens Rea' must be outside the consideration for mitigation and the Death Penalty applicable, not only as a deterrent but more importantly as a competent means of sanitised disposal and overall efficiency. The Southport devil will have cost the voters millions by the time he's dead and God knows how many others he will userp and conflate to the cause, whilst he's in prison's or hospitals. Expect more furore soon, when his appeal is heard too. Personally I expect a reduction to his sentence, as the Socialist wets take up the cudgel for his release after 15 years!

Interesting explanation.  I think the problems that face us as time goes on is basically the mass expansion of Islam in this country, either by immigration (legal and illegal) or birth rate.
We seem to have many self-imposed rules and laws not only to protect those people, apparently to a greater level of laws to protect us, but to prevent our even discussing the matter in the wrong place.

I'm sure that the time will come, long after I and the wife are gone, we shall have civil war.  This is only likely to take place when numbers of Christians/Atheists is equalled (or higher) by muslims.  It sounds quite ridiculous today, but such religious wars have taken place throughout history.
I find it difficult to imagine the entire country (and others in Europe) becoming a muslim state with all the rules and restrictions one would expect.

The sad fact is that those in control of this country seem perfectly happy for this to happen.

[Cassandra]

Cass will correct me if I'm wrong & I'm only talking ball park numbers anyway, but we could at least adopt the USA sentencing rules & give killers like him sentences of, say, 90 years per offence to run consecutively.

The USA seems to favour determinate sentences where a convicted killer or child rapist is given a definite release date, albeit in 30,000 years time.

"If we can't kill you then we'll see you rot" is a term attributed to some in the USA Judiciary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Scott_Robinson

Concur absolutely. Ever since the Kennedy's on, America has adopted ever more liberal views to the Death Penalty. Still the practice in 27 of the 50 States I expect within Trumps term a few more will return. As I read it, even if the State can't impose execution as the ultimate, the corresponding sentences will become far more rigorous than the present 'woke' statutes that have become ever more Liberal over the years.

Americans cannot understand our ridiculous concurrent term arrangements. As one sentence ends, another should open, at least in my world ...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

[muddy]

Cassandra thank you for your explanations .