Reclaim Party has a new MP

Started by Ashy, May 10, 2023, 10:26:38 AM

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Michael Rolls

I always disagreed with PR, but of late, I am beginning to feel that I was wrong. Take the 2019 election. UKIP - 4 million voted, one MP. SNP one and a quarter million votes - 56 MPs. How can that possibly be right?
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Alex

I don't understand how UKIP can get 4 million votes, including mine  :grin:  and only get one seat.  Totally unfair system.

klondike

I like a majority voted against the LibDems version of PR in the referendum they got by forming a coalition with the Tories. Do I regret that? Maybe but it seemed to me to be a mechanism designed to keep the LibDems permanently in government in coalitions. Of course back then I thought by voting Conservative we'd get a conservative government.

What is really needed is for the electorate to remove the scales from their eyes and realise that they really can vote for somebody other than the big three who are all slightly different versions of the same turd.  Until that happens nothing is going to change.

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Cassandra

Quote from: Alex on May 11, 2023, 01:04:55 PMI don't understand how UKIP can get 4 million votes, including mine  :grin:  and only get one seat.  Totally unfair system.

Its called 'democracy' as Sir Keir defines it, by having no overall minority and doing 'deals' with others of the same ilk to form a 'proportional but undemocratic government - allez oop!
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JBR

Quote from: Michael Rolls on May 11, 2023, 12:21:12 PMI always disagreed with PR, but of late, I am beginning to feel that I was wrong. Take the 2019 election. UKIP - 4 million voted, one MP. SNP one and a quarter million votes - 56 MPs. How can that possibly be right?
I agree that the present system is designed to ensure that two political parties share, and take turns, in the leadership of our government.
In effect, some of us have votes which have a good chance of having an effect on the next government, others have votes which have absolutely no practical effect.
Two party politics has been the system in this country for many years.  I may be inaccurate, but I believe it is something like 100 years since anyone else (the Liberals) last formed a government.

Some argue that PR is inefficient and would result in a House of Commons which would struggle to ever come to any agreement and therefore be unable to pass any laws or changes.  I'd be very willing to accept that and suggest that, on the other hand, it may eventually result in people with opposing views might realise that the only way forward is to try to agree sensibly, rather than disagree on everything.
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1955vintage

Having seen the inability to make a decision when Clegg had control of Cameron, I will never support PR 
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