I was reading that transwomen are having problems due to the shortage of HRT. It started me thinking.
I've had my HRT removed by the GP, against my wishes and wonder if preference is given to transwomen to avoid their 'manly' bits recovering.
Also, do they have their operations and treatment on the NHS? If so, given the present circumstances, I don't think that would be right.
I just googled my own question and it is costing the NHS millions of pounds.
The standard reason given is that HRT is reckoned to increase the risk of breast cancer and the time it is prescribed is limited. I doubt that the numbers of trans women would make much of a difference to be honest.
That's out of date now klondike as research has shown that the increased risk of breast cancer is extremely low but there are a lot of advantages such as bone strength etc.
My understanding too but they still stick with the old reasons I think. What reason were you given?
I only used HRT for 2 days, it knocked me for six and I felt really ill. Doc took me straight off it. I used Black Cohosh from the Health Store for a while to help with the hot flushes, but apart from that I had nothing.
I had patches for years, started in my forties. I was at risk of osteoporosis, it worked well for me. My GP stopped prescribing it for me in my early 60s. I was lucky I had few symptoms.
Quote from: klondike on May 24, 2022, 08:15:24 AM
My understanding too but they still stick with the old reasons I think. What reason were you given?
I haven't managed to actually speak to a GP even on the phone. They just didn't put it on the prescription and when I queried it the pharmacy said the surgery had stopped it.
I'll give it a try without but my loving husband says it is like sleeping with a slug.
That is pretty disgusting behaviour by your GP.
When I went to our dentist last year, he knew I had been quite ill, pulled up his stool close to me and checked I was ok. He said that he didn't think the GPs should be paid as they were not seeing patients.
I needed a medication review a few weeks ago and told the receptionist why I wanted the review to be with a particular GP (she is the only one who understands the unusual problem I had/have with my lungs).
A trainee GP phoned a few hours early and didn't know why he was phoning. It was useless.
I think your Dentist had the right idea Sheila. GPs are paid an amount for every patient on their books I believe, even if they're not seeing them.
I haven't actually seen a GP since before covid. Medicine reviews were basically a blood test taken by a nurse. I did have a couple of Livi app video appointments which worked well for me - got an appointment and operation from one and some eye drops on repeat that work well from the other.
I need a form completing by the doctor for which they will charge. I put it in before Easter and it still isn't done. I think I will be changing my surgery as have heard good things about a different one.
Quote from: Sheila on May 24, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
When I went to our dentist last year, he knew I had been quite ill, pulled up his stool close to me and checked I was ok. He said that he didn't think the GPs should be paid as they were not seeing patients.
I needed a medication review a few weeks ago and told the receptionist why I wanted the review to be with a particular GP (she is the only one who understands the unusual problem I had/have with my lungs).
A trainee GP phoned a few hours early and didn't know why he was phoning. It was useless.
As we've talked about before, I had a diagnosis of bronchiectasis some years ago. The GP with the nous to refer me to the chest clinic after various misdiagnoses then retired. The other GP who knew exactly which antibiotics to prescribe has also retired. I've little faith in the one who has now been there longest who said it was probably an allergic reaction to our cat!
Fortunately I've had little trouble for a good while, but when it hits it can be quite severe.
There is no such thing as a transwoman - they are MEN - female impersonators - obviously with mental health issues - who have been pumped full of female hormones, may have or not had their bits chopped off and dress in women's clothes.
Jacq, it works both ways you know.. Women do become men surgically/chemically/hormonally..
Quote from: Jacqueline on May 24, 2022, 08:14:08 PM
There is no such thing as a transwoman - they are MEN - female impersonators - obviously with mental health issues - who have been pumped full of female hormones, may have or not had their bits chopped off and dress in women's clothes.
Of course they're women, just look at their pronouns :wink:
Quote from: zoony on May 24, 2022, 10:45:03 PM
Jacq, it works both ways you know.. Women do become men surgically/chemically/hormonally..
There is no such thing as a transman either - they are women - mental health problems - pumped full of testosterone with a - to be crude - strap on!!!!!
Do you think with my views I will be cancelled like poor JK Rowling, Germaine Greer etc.?
Not on this site chuck. :grin: (Unless you're naughty of course.)...
Quote from: Jacqueline on May 25, 2022, 12:16:47 AM
There is no such thing as a transman either - they are women - mental health problems - pumped full of testosterone with a - to be crude - strap on!!!!!
Do you think with my views I will be cancelled like poor JK Rowling, Germaine Greer etc.?
Its not as simple as that for some. Haven't you heard of babies where the medics and parents have to decide their sex at birth, because they are not clearly male or female? Known as intersex. By puberty they'll probably know if they got it right.
Someone brought up as a girl because of the external appearance of their genitals at birth may develop in a more masculine way, deepening voice, facial hair, body shape. They may also have undescended testes. Hormonally they are more male than female. The opposite can also happen.
And how often does that happen at birth I wonder ?
A lot less often than later for sure.
Some swearing in this, Ricky Gervais is gonna be in trouble now - is he bovvered ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI6qvQtrTU8
Sums it up well.
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 25, 2022, 06:47:03 AM
Its not as simple as that for some. Haven't you heard of babies where the medics and parents have to decide their sex at birth, because they are not clearly male or female? Known as intersex. By puberty they'll probably know if they got it right.
Someone brought up as a girl because of the external appearance of their genitals at birth may develop in a more masculine way, deepening voice, facial hair, body shape. They may also have undescended testes. Hormonally they are more male than female. The opposite can also happen.
I am not saying anything against these poor people, they do need help to make them what they should be. These are not the people I am talking about.
Thanks Alex, started my day with a smile.
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 25, 2022, 06:47:03 AM
Its not as simple as that for some. Haven't you heard of babies where the medics and parents have to decide their sex at birth, because they are not clearly male or female? Known as intersex.
Someone needs to tell the medics that there's a new-fangled invention called an MRI scanner.
That'd show up any hidden balls.
I am so glad that I was doing the rounds when men were real men and there was no guessing game.. :smiley:
There is more testing at birth now, as these various conditions have been more widely understood. The athlete Caster Semenya looked female at birth, but its pretty obvious she is more genetically male even though she is lacking certain bits of anatomy.
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Quote from: Scrumpy on May 26, 2022, 09:25:00 AM
I am so glad that I was doing the rounds when men were real men and there was no guessing game.. :smiley:
Apart from with some Thai ladyboys encountered while drunk (no personal experience I hasten to add) there's no guessing involved these days either.
Well most of the time anyway...
https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=lady-ladyboy
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The only time in over 30 years that I have seen Paul truly terrified was when he was approached by a ladyboy wearing a pink tutu with sequins, platform sandals and sporting a large Adam's apple. Oh and I think he had wings too!
I reckon Paul made eyes at him.. :wink:
Ladyboys in pink tu-tus aren't a threat or a problem really but some blokes get the beer-goggles on and perhaps are a bit slow to the truth which can be problematic.. :grin:
Quote from: zoony on May 26, 2022, 04:07:09 PM
Ladyboys in pink tu-tus aren't a threat or a problem really but some blokes get the beer-goggles on and perhaps are a bit slow to the truth which can be problematic.. :grin:
Some friends of mine came a cropper in Thailand like that :rolleyes: :halo:
It's possible in Blackpool too...
Probably possible anywhere come to that.
Quote from: zoony on May 26, 2022, 04:07:09 PM
Ladyboys in pink tu-tus aren't a threat or a problem really but some blokes get the beer-goggles on and perhaps are a bit slow to the truth which can be problematic.. :grin:
And thus came the 'Monkeypox' [1170]
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:grin: :grin: :grin: Brill !
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Quote from: zoony on May 24, 2022, 10:45:03 PMJacq, it works both ways you know.. Women do become men surgically/chemically/hormonally..
It doesn't work either way.
A man with his knob removed remains a man with his knob removed.
A woman with a surgically created false knob remains a woman with a sugically created false knob.
Quote from: Diasi on May 29, 2022, 08:11:08 AMIt doesn't work either way.
A man with his knob removed remains a man with his knob removed.
A woman with a surgically created false knob remains a woman with a sugically created false knob.
And there, explained in the simplest way, is your answer.. :clap:
Don't be silly.. Simplify it for yourselves but it's just not that simple. Apart from a few publicity-seeking idiots there are thousands of real people who suffer something similar and you wouldn't know anything was different unless you became much closer to intimate. It's a mostly very private thing.
Quote from: zoony on May 29, 2022, 02:30:02 PMDon't be silly.. Simplify it for yourselves but it's just not that simple. Apart from a few publicity-seeking idiots there are thousands of real people who suffer something similar and you wouldn't know anything was different unless you became much closer to intimate. It's a mostly very private thing.
It is that simple. A person's gender cannot be changed anymore than their species can be changed.
It's a question of semantics.
If I have the words the right way round (and I find it confusing)
You can't change biological sex.
You can change gender as that is more of a psychological thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#:~:text=The%20World%20Health%20Organization's,grow%20into%20men%20and%20women%22.
three years ago when i told my cancer doctor i was off to Goa they gave me HRT injections and gave me one to bring with me... i was never a hairy monster but all the body hair above the waist just vanished, even the hair in my arms, and my head hair has certainly thinned a lot... i actually socialise with two gays over here [but we go our separate ways at the end of the night] honest....
i hope this lands my previous one vanished
DID ANYONE SEE JOAN COLLINS INTERVIEW WITH PIERS WHATSHISFACE ? SHE WAS ACTUALLY SCARED TO GIVE HER OPINION, OR EVEN COMMENT ON THIS SUBJECT FOR FEAR OF RECEIVING DEATH THREATS OR BEING 'CANCELLED'
SHE IS ONE WOMAN WHO ALWAYS SPOKE HER MIND, SO WHO ON EARTH IS IN CHARGE WHEN FEISTY WOMEN LIKE HER ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK.
The woke crap changes daily so I guess nobody knows if something they say today may bring them tears a little way down the line. Glad nobody wants my opinion on TV.
nor mine - but I would love to give it to them!
Was watching a TV programme about the controversy over American "trans" swimmer Lea Thomas, this 6'3" bloke is on HRT (no wonder menopausal women can't get it) and still has all his bits intact , he is thrashing the women swimmers as he dwafs them. Does this bloke look like a woman to you? is it fair to real women swimmers?
(https://e3.365dm.com/22/03/768x432/skynews-lia-thomas-swimmer_5716023.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20220323091905)
No, no a thousand times no!
I'm all for being inclusive. My view on what trans means is very different and a lot more understanding than most of you here. But when it comes to competitive sport as in the above, that's just wrong!
my view as well
Definitely wrong. Having to share the female changing room with Thomas has made the female team members uncomfortable.
i knew an openly gay guy when i was a teenager, and back then it was illegal, and when the cops were bored they would arrest him, and he would get three months in Barlinnie Prison.... which is a male prison... the guys name was Tommy Ward, and god never made a gentler person, he always came out of prison a mental and physical wreck and was raped every night in prison... today the guy would be rich, he impersonated Shirley Bassey better than she did, and stood over six foot tall... i have no idea what happened to Tommy but god bless him, because god was very cruel to the guy....
That's really sad crabbyob, poor guy. :boo: :cry:
A few years back nearby neighbours were a couple of guys living together.. They were the nicest people around.. But they got hounded out by their next door neighbour who was a woman with young children.. She said that she feared for her boys ..
Her (boys) were brats and encouraged to mock the guys..
I know which I preferred..
The older generation of gays seem content to get on with their lives, I know of a couple of fellas who have been together for 30 years now.
The younger generation of gays unfortunately feels the need to broadcast their sexual preferences. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
crabbyob, that was tragic, and Scrumpy's story was not much better. Some people really hate and fear anyone who is different.
I think HRT was mentioned in this thread earlier and I just came across this...
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/06/03/number-of-trans-people-receiving-nhs-treatment-rises-75-in-five-years-as-hundreds-are-prescribed-female-hormones-desperately-needed-for-women-on-hrt/
and i also got it as part of a cancer treatment...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885319/British-public-overestimates-minority-groups-like-trans-gay-people-vegans-YouGov-poll-shows.html
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I suspect those misperceptions are fuelled by what folks see on TV and in films.
Now THAT'S believable.. :upvote:
Its not because someone is different, it is because in Lea Thomas' case it is downright unfair, most of the other swimming competitors come up to his shoulders, he has a clear reach advantage, all that's between him and a man is HRT (I understand this is to make up missing female hormones in real women going through the menopause) so how this can turn him into a woman within a year I fail to see. Some other female swimmers were also saying he does not have the disadvantage of swimming and training during a period like women do.
I would feel very unhappy that any young female relative of mine had to share a changing room with a biological male, and worse still told she was in the wrong for complaining about it.
I feel along with other women like JK Rowling and Germaine Greer that women are under attack, we want our own loos, changing rooms etc. In the USA women will be denied abortions, all the women's rights we have fought for over the years these men think they are entitled to and we must share it with them.
I wonder if he would have wanted to be a woman 100 years ago with no vote, or even back in the 1950/60/70's when women didn't get equal pay or limited in choice choice of jobs? I very much doubt it. I know many women who in those days would have preferred to be men (not because they really wanted to be a man) but because they were limited in what they could do.
very good point!
yes Jaq, thank you for your very welcome post..
i cannot for the life of me see how society can recognise a person as a woman on their say so alone..
because a person is not a man this dosnt automatically make them a woman
at school i was taught there was three genders Masculine...feminine... and Neuter
we can recognise these in-betweeners as neuters..
just imagine the damage these guys are doing to womens sport, parents getting up berfore dawn to take their girls to empty swimming pools to get their training lengths in before the mainstream public get there.
then at the comp a big hairy assed bloke turns up and destroys them.... and isnt it funny that non of the trance gender women try to compete against men.... i think these guys are damaging sport as a whole... and womens sport in particular... get them chucked out.. let them start their own compititions
absolutely. Back when I was a keen cyclist and a pretty poor time trail rider, despite that there was only one female rider in the UK capable of bettering my times - the late, great Beryl Burton. I like the quote I was a while ago - perhaps? ' I identify as..' actually means 'I am pretending to be..'
Mike