Liz Truss on Sturgeon

Started by Alex, August 02, 2022, 01:00:42 PM

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Alex

Liz Truss has said that the "best thing to do with Nicola Sturgeon is ignore her" and branded the First Minister an "attention seeker"

She's right of course, but it's hardly building bridges with Scotland is it ?  Like it or not, wee Krankie was voted in by the misguided Scottish electorate.

Scrumpy


Not a wise move at the moment to say bad things about other leaders in politics..
Don't ask me.. I know nuffink..

Raven

I wondered when this would be brought up. It was the talk on the Phone In programme I listen to on Radio Scotland. She has earned herself the undying hatred of most of Scotland. It was the/is the talk of the village, Tesco in Wick, and the pool this morning. People are fuming at her insulting nasty comments. Nicola is a FM voted in by the people of Scotland, all fair and square, Truss had no need to pour out her vileness like that and I believe she will live to regret it. She has changed No Voters into Yes Voters as they are taking it personally and feel both Scotland and her people have been insulted.
When I heard those people she was speaking to cheer at her words my blood ran cold, then  hot, very hot.......Up The Jacobites.

Alex

But it was OK for Sturgeon to call Boris ' corrupt' ' a scaredy cat' 'juvenile' 'a liar' etc etc....  Whether those slurs are true or not, Sturgeon was wrong to name call.  As to "vileness" Raven, all Truss said was Sturgeon is an attention seeker, I can't see anything vile about that.

Raven

These are a few examples of how feelings are in Scotland just now. Truss has insulted all of us and our country.


Have I Got News For You
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Nicola Sturgeon is an 'attention seeker' says Liz Truss (pictured)
Loz Argyle ⚓
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I'm not Scottish but after hearing Liz Truss and her "I'll just ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comments my anger is through the roof, Ms Sturgeon was elected by the people of Scotland, Truss will be elected by 0.03% of the population, fuck the tories i back Scottish independence..
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
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Fair to say the love of the golf club bores and right wing rags is going to
@trussliz
 head. Her comment that she will 'ignore'
@NicolaSturgeon
 and her dismissal of a serially elected leader as 'an attention seeker' is both mindblowingly stupid as well as deeply offensive 1/4
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Tim Kerby
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"The best thing to do with
@NicolaSturgeon
 is ignore her" - If Liz Truss becomes PM and her policy is to ignore democratically elected leaders then she's just made the best argument for Scottish Independence yet

Ashy

It doesn't matter what the public think, the matter will be decided by the Con party alone.

Raven

Why should they have to give permission in the first place?
Why are they so desperate to keep us?
What are they going to lose if we go?

Cassandra

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Quote from: Raven on August 02, 2022, 02:38:16 PMWhy should they have to give permission in the first place?
Why are they so desperate to keep us?
What are they going to lose if we go?

I have no idea. If Scotland became independent, the Tories would gain an extra majority of 59 seats overnight at Westminster, almost certainly committing both Starmer and Labour to the dust bin of History. Same time clearing England of a huge deficit and open up a bargaining tool with Sturgeon's beloved EU to re-negotiate the N.I. border with.

In likelihood the EU won't want another hungry mouth to underwrite and would the SNP press ahead for a Nationwide decision; with no Barnett formula and higher recovery costs on ever deeper North Sea Oil seams as a medley? Conversely for them the SNP would have a massive majority in the new administration and Sturgeon could choose to ignore the ideological Green party.

At least both sides could say post-split, it was Scotland's call to vote and if it came to it, their choice to secede?

I think Truss is intelligently appealing to an increasing swell of English people who now want separation for the reasons above. After all sadly but clearly there is now a mutually expanding distrust between the Nation peoples and maybe surgery is the only way forward for both viewpoints to co-exist in a batter way in the future?

Why not let Scotland have a referendum whenever they choose - every other month if so desired, let them be proactive about this - England can't lose? Perhaps a ballot in England (in which all the Scot ex pats could vote) as to Scottish separation would be a good idea? At least to gage how the other half feel and give them a chance to respond to Sturgeon's disappointing, but understandably strategic insults every few weeks, which are increasing tiresome to endure.
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Alex

Scottish nationalism is as much an anti-Tory movement as it is a genuine desire to put an international border between England and Scotland.

Sturgeon has demonstrated that an independent Scotland would be a more authoritarian place than the UK. She has shown just a little too much delight in telling Scots what to do. Whenever the UK government wanted to open up even just a little, Sturgeon chose for Scots to have less freedom. When England said that people didn't need masks, Sturgeon said Scots have to wear them for years to come.

Young Scots who cannot even remember when the SNP did not rule are getting tired of the authoritarianism. If you don't want to wear a mask forever, if you like being able to go to a party in England, if you sing rude songs about Sturgeon and the SNP, it might just be the time to vote for someone else, otherwise your dissent and your disobedience looks a bit like naughty schoolchildren doing what they are told again as soon as teacher comes back into the classroom.

Quotes from the amazing Effie Deans :clap:

klondike

She should just be given her referendum imo. I doubt it would be won but if it were I don't see the divorce being a problem for England and Wales. It may cause problems in NI I suppose as it would strengthen the nationalists hands. That is up to the residents of NI to decide on too though as indeed it would be for Wales although I can't see there being any separation there.

Denying another referendum strengthens Surgeon's hand imo.

We live in a time when intelligent people are silenced so that stupid people won't be offended

Alex

How on earth would you police an England Scotland border  ? :hmm:

klondike

A problem for the Scots not us. Why would we want to? The Romans never had much luck with that.

We live in a time when intelligent people are silenced so that stupid people won't be offended

Ashy

The Romans built Hadrian's Wall, I think it was to tell them where to stop.

Raven

I would much rather have England as a good friend and neighbour, than as our overseer and all the bad feelings that go with that.

klondike

Why do you see England as an overseer? 

I don't expect this to go down well but...

The Westminster Parliament is the GB Parliament not the English Parliament (we are the only one of the four nations that make up Great Britain) that doesn't have its own). 

Certainly there are more English MPs than Scottish MPs but that is because there are more English than Scotts. In fact there about 7% more English voters per MP than Scottish voters per MP. So Scotland is over represented.

We live in a time when intelligent people are silenced so that stupid people won't be offended