The disgraceful spectacle of MPs virtue signalling and wasting time , time that we pay them for in discussing a war in another country that is none of our business .
We have enough troubles in this country as it is they need to concentrate on these .
Some say they are worried that ( if they don't make a stand on Gaza - for ceasefire ) their personal safely and that of their families will be compromised .
Hardly surprising if that baying mob of savages outside of Parliament was anything to go by if these their constituents .
When is the Met police going to act as we have no water cannons perhaps the fire brigade could help out ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68349957
I couldn't agree more!
I agree too.
The police need to have some training in France. They know how to handle this crap.
They're like a bunch of naughty kids :rolleyes: When did MPs start to behave like this? Not so long ago the Westminster MPs acted with dignity and had good manners.
I'm disgusted with the lot of them, Yes Mike......That includes the SNP. :angry:
Quote from: Raven on February 22, 2024, 10:27:21 AMNot so long ago the Westminster MPs acted with dignity and had good manners.
I doubt they ever did. It's mostly that they are televised now.
Tempers will be short. It's an election year and a lot of them might gave to start working for a living soon.
Good, Lets hope it's on minimum wage......Do the buggers good. :waiting:
I'm disappointed to see Hoyle, the Speaker, break the Parliamentary tradition & allow the Opposition amendment in order to save Starmer from a 100 plus Labour MP revolt at the voting lobbies.
It's the sort of snide trick I'd have expected from his predecessor, but not from him.
He was sorry for it today but the admission, by the Speaker, that the processes of the House were subverted due to fear of radical Islamists is utterly disgraceful .
words fail me!
Quote from: muddy on February 23, 2024, 01:40:50 AMHe was sorry for it today but the admission, by the Speaker, that the processes of the House were subverted due to fear of radical Islamists is utterly disgraceful .
That's just a cover story for the gullible members of the public.
If there'd been any danger his advisers wouldn't have told him not to do it.
He's an ex-Labour MP who did it against all the advice given to him in order to stop Starmer, who asked him to do it, suffering a humiliating rebellion by Labour MPs.
Cover story or not, I hope it wakes them up to the fact there IS a threat from radical islam in this country.
Quote from: Alex on February 23, 2024, 09:31:56 AMCover story or not, I hope it wakes them up to the fact there IS a threat from radical islam in this country.
No doubt there is, but not from a bunch of flag wavers.
Had there been a credible threat there would have been a massive armed police presence combined with military response units in attendance.
The point is that a non-existent threat was used as an excuse to subvert Parliamentary process.
Quote from: Diasi on February 23, 2024, 10:14:00 AMNo doubt there is, but not from a bunch of flag wavers.
Had there been a credible threat there would have been a massive armed police presence combined with military response units in attendance.
The point is that a non-existent threat was used as an excuse to subvert Parliamentary process.
Have to admire your faith in our police forces Phil.
Massive armed police presence ?????
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Strongly backed up by
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Quote from: muddy on February 23, 2024, 11:12:27 AMMassive armed police presence ?????
The Met has 2,000 firearms officers so I'd call that massive for confronting the flag wavers.
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Strongly backed up by
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Those pictures are undoubtedly representative of our police services today.
What surprises me is how whoever is ultimately responsible for it has managed to change them so much and so quickly.
Is there an underlying group somewhere in this country who is driving these changes? In Parliament? In the civil service? in the Lords? In the judiciary?
If so, why? Who wants to change this country and its laws irrevocably?
The last individual to make such changes, as far as I'm aware, was Treason May when she was PM. One of the first things she did was to decimate our police forces (as were) in numbers, and there are now apparently directives and rules from above which direct the police to refuse to act against certain specific acts.
The latest is that performed by the 'Palestinian crowds' in Londonistan yesterday: the projection on the tower of Westminster ('Big Ben') of a scrolling message, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". The police? - No action, and an official statement that, as far as they are concerned, no laws have been broken.
I am aware that the police are now undermanned (thanks May), so may feel that they are afraid of taking any action against these disruptors who heavily outnumber them. More worrying is the possibility that they have now been persuaded to agree with this growing dissention of traditional British values.
It's true that a fair percentage of the flag wavers appear to be Islingtion lefty types rather than Jihadis but the numbers must be intimidating regardless of the makeup.
Quote from: klondike on February 23, 2024, 12:09:28 PMIt's true that a fair percentage of the flag wavers appear to be Islingtion lefty types rather than Jihadis but the numbers must be intimidating regardless of the makeup.
If the police are still acting as peacekeepers of our country, and yet are heavily outnumbered, if we wish to retain our democratic freedoms, steps should be taken.
Obviously, we need more police, but under proper control by those at the top, so I think the first step would be to replace the completely inept head of the Met.
Then, to deal with overwhelming numbers of pro-terrorists, water cannon should be brought back. We have nowhere near the numbers of police to repel them physically, so water cannon seem to be the next best step.
Of course, to allow that we need a better government.
I think miracle was the word you were looking for...
Quote from: klondike on February 23, 2024, 01:11:54 PMI think miracle was the word you were looking for...
Seeing what many say on t'internet, and on t'telly, I think it would be a miracle if Reform should form the next government.
Nevertheless, I shall vote for them. I see them as a life raft on a stormy ocean!
Pity it's not a dinghy - then Border Farce would bring them in. :grin: