Another Tony Martin?

[Scrumpy]

I own shotguns. I don't think I'd ever actually discharge one at somebody if I wasn't absolutely sure it was them or me.

If you were faced with people breaking into your house .. Hearing them ..
I think your mind would automatically fear the worse..
Every day there are knifings.. killings.. Just  knowing that would make you very nervous..
I don't think I could wait to actually see the colour of their eyes.. and look to see if they were armed.. No way..
The world has become a  'It's Either You or Me' place..
  The thugs have brought this about.. Let them bloody deal with the consequences .. And if they get killed .. so be it..
I don't give a damn about the guy..

[Cassandra]

I have five guns out here. One long and four pistols, which I bought with the rest of the house contents at auction. In full cognisance of gun laws, I would not hesitate to shoot an intruder and keep the best 2 pistols and ammunition clips in the bedroom with the others being distributed around the property. Over here 'the right to bear arms' is detailed and enshrined within the second amendment. Of course the lefty wets try relentlessly to have it removed. Fortunately to date it's been realised that for many who live in the wilder regions it's necessary for survival - places like New York and Los Angeles!

[klondike]

That's just it though.  How could anyone be absolutely sure?

If several men broke into our home and started threatening us,  we are hardly likely to ask whether they mean it or not - especially if they have a weapon of some sort

The law still needs clarification for sure. It isn't clear in the story just where those shot were at the time. As I said originally - I hope for the sake of the farmer that they were not running away. It just says "discovered at the scene" and "found nearby".


May 03, 2024, 11:31:18 AM
The US law is a lot different from here and shotguns are a popular choice for home defence there. Here they have to be kept in locked cabinets, ammunition separate and the minimum barrel length of 24 inches makes them an unwieldy weapon at close quarters.

In the US home defence cartridges (not a concept here) are smaller reducing recoil which along with short barrels and more than the maximum 3 shots available on a standard shotgun certificate makes them very practical. Especially as you can keep one under the bed.

[Cassandra]

I find the 357 short barrel (4") Colt Python magnum a most satisfactory appliance. Delivery like a brick though a plate glass window, low recoil for the muzzle velocity. However my choice and the one I practice with is a Makarov 9.27, suppressed (silenced) PMM with a 12 round clip. Very reliable, big shell and minimal recoil. A practical anti-personnel automatic. However if the ungodly are wearing Kevlar vests, the Python is a 'rib-crusher'. I keep these two together, to avail all comers

[klondike]

Pretty much out of the question here of course. 

[Diasi]

The US law is a lot different from here and shotguns are a popular choice for home defence there. Here they have to be kept in locked cabinets, ammunition separate and the minimum barrel length of 24 inches makes them an unwieldy weapon at close quarters.

This is the bonus of a crossbow which doesn't have to be kept locked in a cabinet & can be kept preloaded with the bolts.

And which is why I'm still seriously considering buying one before they become banned from sale.

At the moment, as I've already posted about, I do have an LEP/LED combi flashlight.

I keep it set on low power flood mode but I only have to press the button for two seconds & both the LED floodlight & the LEP laser spotlight will change to full power.

The only way of avoiding permanent blindness is to turn your back.

[klondike]

The way the law is I reckon it's pretty much damned if you do and maybe crippled if you don't. If anybody decides to defend themselves with a weapon it needs to be close to hand which to a degree rules out a gun if the law is complied with. If you have a crossbow under your bed then avoiding a charge may be a problem. As would hitting an assailant with a one shot weapon when maybe only half awake.

Luckily these situations don't crop up for the majority.

[Diasi]

The way the law is I reckon it's pretty much damned if you do and maybe crippled if you don't. If anybody decides to defend themselves with a weapon it needs to be close to hand which to a degree rules out a gun if the law is complied with. If you have a crossbow under your bed then avoiding a charge may be a problem. As would hitting an assailant with a one shot weapon when maybe only half awake.

Luckily these situations don't crop up for the majority.

In my case I would be wide awake, dressed & waiting for the intruder by the time they managed to break in as I'm a very light sleeper & I have seven external CCTV cameras plus four audio alert perimeter detectors.

As for the crossbow it would be a six shot repeater with a laser dot sight so it doesn't need to be held up & aimed.

The bolt goes wherever the red dot goes which means it's as fully accurate when held at waist level as it is at shoulder level.

The crossbow isn't loaded until the tensioning handle is pulled & a bolt drops down from the magazine.

There's nothing in the CPS rules that state a crossbow shouldn't be kept in a bedroom & not be used.

[klondike]

That sort of reminds me of a nutty German on YouTube. He's always amusing - he calls his stuff the slingshot channel and that includes things like repeating crossbows. I'll see if Ican find one.


Here's the first I found but he has done plentyh of them....

[Diasi]

That sort of reminds me of a nutty German on YouTube. He's always amusing - he calls his stuff the slingshot channel and that includes things like repeating crossbows. I'll see if I can find one.

Here's the first I found but he has done plenty of them....

Lol, yes, that's the guy. 

But this is what I was thinking, with a repeater of cause. 

 

[muddy]

I think a crossbow is a terrible weapon be it used on man or beast .

[Diasi]

I think a crossbow is a terrible weapon be it used on man or beast .

Well since we in the UK can't have a hand gun & a legal rifle or shotgun has to be locked in cabinet it only leaves a crossbow as a viable safe distance weapon.

I wouldn't dream of using such a weapon on any animal but I'd have no problem whatsoever with using it on a human intruder.

In the USA & the majority of other countries, including some EU countries, being prepared for home defence is discussed openly as something that needs to be done.

It's only in the UK where it seems to be a taboo subject that attracts criticism & where society seems to prefer the householder to be killed rather than the intruder.

[klondike]

I think a crossbow is a terrible weapon be it used on man or beast .

Believe me at close range it would be a lot less terrible than a shotgun.

[Alex]

I think a crossbow is a terrible weapon be it used on man or beast .

Totally agree Muddy, hopefully the Government will toughen the rules.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-exploring-toughening-crossbow-rules

[GrannyMac]

There's a Go fund me site the farmer's son has set up, donations are already over £20k.  The public are really behind him.