If anyone from UK is lucky enough to go and study in Europe, where they often have lower university fees, they are not allowed to take their Mum & Dad with them. Come to UK however and you can bring your great Aunt with you too if she's a dependent. Last year 135,788 people came here using a relative's student visa.
Not anymore ! Well done Suella.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/21/new-immigration-rules-ban-foreign-students-from-bringing-family-to-uk-18820656/?ITO=msn
I should bloody well think so -it was always totally ridiculous
Students can have family members join them in other countries. Germany and Italy for starters. Without looking at every other country's immigration policy in detail and comparing them to the UK's (which most people won't) I wonder if this is just a headline grabber to deflect from actual numbers of immigrants? Family members of international students in the UK tend to be restricted to husbands/wives and children. I haven't seen anything on the UK application guidance about bringing other family members. Feel free to point me in the right direction.
The government should be clear in informing the voters about not only the numbers of immigrants, but their categories, ie skilled worker, student, asylum seeker, refugee. How many failed asylum seekers have been ejected, how many are still here.
Just one example: https://www.studying-in-germany.org/bringing-your-family-to-germany-on-a-student-visa/#which-family-members-can-apply-for-a-german-family-reunion-visa
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 23, 2023, 07:41:04 AMStudents can have family members join them in other countries. Germany and Italy for starters. Without looking at every other country's immigration policy in detail and comparing them to the UK's (which most people won't) I wonder if this is just a headline grabber to deflect from actual numbers of immigrants? Family members of international students in the UK tend to be restricted to husbands/wives and children. I haven't seen anything on the UK application guidance about bringing other family members. Feel free to point me in the right direction.
The government should be clear in informing the voters about not only the numbers of immigrants, but their categories, ie skilled worker, student, asylum seeker, refugee. How many failed asylum seekers have been ejected, how many are still here.
Just one example: https://www.studying-in-germany.org/bringing-your-family-to-germany-on-a-student-visa/#which-family-members-can-apply-for-a-german-family-reunion-visa
Yes, but look at the 'pre-conditions'. Do we specify all of those... or, indeed, any?
We specify quite a few conditions for students.
https://www.gov.uk/student-visa/family-members
I haven't read the links but I'm sure I heard mentioned that they must be self supporting. They will still be increasing the load on infrastructure such as roads, policing, sewage etc. etc. though. As they aren't supposed to be working they won't be shelling out much if any tax to pay for that.
Very true
Of course we don't know when or if these students and their families go home. In Germany you have to de-register that is if you want to be allowed back in the country, or worse you could be liable for tax !!! :grin:
Here the 'students' can just disappear and we're non the wiser.
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 23, 2023, 12:13:30 PMWe specify quite a few conditions for students.
https://www.gov.uk/student-visa/family-members
Well just because other countries are twats for allowing so-called students, many of whom attend bogus colleges, to bring family members, it doesn't mean the UK should be a twat.
Did your kids take you to the place they went to university?
The problem with overstaying is they have no right to work. International students pay a lot for a UK degree, seems pointless if all they can do is work in a car wash or similar. Reputable employers won't want to be fined (up to £20k) or sent to prison for not doing the checks.
Overstayers can't claim benefits either.
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 23, 2023, 07:49:48 PMThe problem with overstaying is they have no right to work. International students pay a lot for a UK degree, seems pointless if all they can do is work in a car wash or similar. Reputable employers won't want to be fined (up to £20k) or sent to prison for not doing the checks.
Overstayers can't claim benefits either.
That's assuming they go to a reputable college in the first place.
https://tinyurl.com/47tezpt6
Quote from: Diasi on May 23, 2023, 07:47:50 PMWell just because other countries are twats for allowing so-called students, many of whom attend bogus colleges, to bring family members, it doesn't mean the UK should be a twat.
Did your kids take you to the place they went to university?
No, of course not. But the family members of students (according to the application form) are spouses and children. I may have missed the bit where they can apply to bring their granny, but I'm prepared to be shown it.
May 23, 2023, 08:07:48 PMQuote from: Diasi on May 23, 2023, 07:51:37 PMThat's assuming they go to a reputable college in the first place.
https://tinyurl.com/47tezpt6
A lot of international students lost money when the colleges were closed down. Scammers everywhere.
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 23, 2023, 07:53:05 PMNo, of course not. But the family members of students (according to the application form) are spouses and children. I may have missed the bit where they can apply to bring their granny, but I'm prepared to be shown it.
May 23, 2023, 08:07:48 PMA lot of international students lost money when the colleges were closed down. Scammers everywhere.
I believe students can bring their parents or other relatives who are dependents by the Adult Dependent Relative visa, failing that there are 2 or 3 other possibilities.
"The ADR route is to allow an individual with ongoing care needs to live with a close relative in the UK, provided the applicant can show, as a result of either age, illness or disability, that they require a level of long-term personal care that can only be reasonably and adequately provided in the UK by their sponsor "
I Googled it !
Whatever the relationships and needs are there are a lot of them. I would say that if a potential student has dependents they should stay in their home country and look after them there.
Letting these people in who it seems earn nothing here so pay no taxes just stresses our infrastructure and the only beneficiaries appear to be the universities.
The visa system is complicated, but my understanding is that only those immigrants with settled status/citizenship can bring their Adult Dependent Relatives. They have to prove they can support these dependents. People on student visas don't have the necessary status.
Braverman said there has been an eightfold increase in the number of visas granted to dependants of international students, rising from 16,000 to 136,000.
https://www.ft.com/content/9271fcba-f1a5-47ec-b48a-a49a2d3f94d2
What's 120,000 between friends?
It's all a con, why does a student need his entire family to come with them.
How many of you went, with your entire family, to live in the area where your kid went to uni?
Its husbands, wives, civil partners and kids. Its a good thing the government are limiting numbers, but bringing elderly relatives isn't possible for someone here on a student visa.
I can't imagine different universities publish different info, here's one that explains that the rules are changing next year. Its very clear on who students can bring at present.
'Who is a Dependent': https://www.dundee.ac.uk/guides/bring-your-family-uk-while-you-study-using-student-visa
It seems from the numbers that plenty want to come. We should scrap the ability to bring any dependents. Those with dependents should be looking after them in their own countries.
Quote from: klondike on May 27, 2023, 07:08:43 AMIt seems from the numbers that plenty want to come. We should scrap the ability to bring any dependents. Those with dependents should be looking after them in their own countries.
My feelings exactly.
and mine
There are spoof education establishments that import whole families from the Indian sub continent and West Africa , allowing them to come here .
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 23, 2023, 11:08:38 PMThe visa system is complicated, but my understanding is that only those immigrants with settled status/citizenship can bring their Adult Dependent Relatives. They have to prove they can support these dependents. People on student visas don't have the necessary status.
Odds on its tilted in the 'Students favour'. By the time the 'lords' and 'Sir' Ed Davey lamp and his wets have savaged it, nothing will change anyway - as per normal - The Tories know and depend upon it, its their majorative strangulated
raison d'être these days.
We 'put it up' aren't we good little Bozo's - Lords knock it back (nice one) - 'not our fault Gov' say the Tories - 'carry on no.1' says Sunak to Hunt, 'Steady as she goes' - 'Ay Ay Skipper' (responds the 1st officer with a big grin).
The real question is, "What are dependants?"
How about a muslim with four wives? Four dependants... and each of their kids?
If a "student" brings his wife and kids, do we supply school places for these kids? if so they are taking tax payers money.
Quote from: Jacqueline on May 27, 2023, 05:51:15 PMIf a "student" brings his wife and kids, do we supply school places for these kids? if so they are taking tax payers money.
Good point Jacq, I didnt think about that. :upvote:
I don't understand why they can't study in their own countries if they have a partner and kids. I have no worries about the single teens coming to our universities.
Some of our universities like the income!
I'm sure they do, with 40% of students now from overseas. Mega bucks, you'd think they'd be able to provide British students with a cut in fees.
And why they are educating all these foreign students we could do with more places to train out own people to become doctors, nurses etc.