Quote from: Michael Rolls on July 20, 2022, 12:27:51 PMit won't happen

I know it won't happen, I'm still convinced it's a "fix" and Sunak will be the next PM.

Imo Sunak = labour majority. Red wall voters are unlikely to warm to a rich boy who does sod all for them. Either of the other two probably mean a coalition.

Do ordinary red wall voters get a vote on this ?

Only if they are party members. They all do in the next general election though which is the one I am predicting?

This one is pretty much an irrelevance now as there are only establishment supporters left. What is needed is some radical thinking to avoid the cost of living disaster that approaches. Folks living hand to mouth will be unable to find the upcoming new energy charges let alone cope with food price inflation too.

Quote from: Alex on July 20, 2022, 12:26:34 PM" More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader and add his name to the leadership ballot " 

I've just watched Prime Ministers Question time and Boris is very quick witted and seems to smile more than get annoyed at rude criticism.

Quote from: Alex on July 20, 2022, 12:26:34 PM" More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader and add his name to the leadership ballot " 

I wish they would to save us from one of the dreadful lot who will be the next PM.

can't say that any of the candidates enthuse me

Snap.

Boris is the only current Tory with any pzaz and charisma the rest are plain boring. He was forgiven for having the morals of an alley cat which in the past would have sunk him.  The establishment never forgave him for delivering a Brexit and used his inability to tell the truth to bring him down ably assisted by the media.

He may have been better that that lot but even without the lies his laxity on immigration, no working solution for illegal immigration and costly Net Zero targets made his future bleak. When you throw in the stuff that may well be beyond his control - high inflation and super high energy costs there was little chance he'd have won the next election anyway. When everything goes to ratshit on your watch you are doomed regardless of blame.

I don't think that bloke Sunak should be in the running at all. He resigned and walked away from his job. In other words HE LEFT. So he shouldn't be able to try for PM.
He should be gone.

Quote from: klondike on July 20, 2022, 04:55:09 PMBoris is the only current Tory with any pzaz and charisma the rest are plain boring. He was forgiven for having the morals of an alley cat which in the past would have sunk him.  The establishment never forgave him for delivering a Brexit and used his inability to tell the truth to bring him down ably assisted by the media.

He may have been better that that lot but even without the lies his laxity on immigration, no working solution for illegal immigration and costly Net Zero targets made his future bleak. When you throw in the stuff that may well be beyond his control - high inflation and super high energy costs there was little chance he'd have won the next election anyway. When everything goes to ratshit on your watch you are doomed regardless of blame.

I can't see any of the main parties getting on top of illegal immigration without some changes in international law. If that is unlikely, then the processing and deporting needs to speed up massively, cos the dinghies won't just stop.

IMO Boris' biggest mistake was firing Dominic Cummings. He put the poison in, and that was the start of Boris' downfall.

Unfortunately he probably has a very low attention span and is unable to self discipline into detail. Self evidently his Achilles Heel, I would suggest?

Many, many promising young things came through from University to the 'pupil barrister' portal in my time in chambers. Their intellect however also needed the resolve to assimilate the history of 'precedents' and the discipline to read and research a brief thoroughly. Their conceit and nonchalance exposed their inevitable fallibilities to lesser mortals, who worked in parallel with the necessary diligence to retain experience and succeed.

This P.M.'s inevitable downfall became apparent very early on to me. He cannot blame anyone but himself. His personality flaw is to bypass that which bores him and will always be his ultimate nemesis, he cannot change. He's best to stick to writing and public speaking, his great strengths which will earn him the fortunes he needs to support his eccentric lifestyle and it's enigmatic needs!

By no means an evil man, like many behind him today! It's actually a tragedy that so much promise was squandered with such 'laissez-faire' panache, in such a short time.

We will never see his like again ...

Quote from: Raven on July 20, 2022, 08:10:30 PMI don't think that bloke Sunak should be in the running at all. He resigned and walked away from his job. In other words HE LEFT. So he shouldn't be able to try for PM.
He should be gone.

Back stabbing little snake that Sunak, I just hope Liz Truss gets the votes although I am not that keen on her either.

Odds on now Liz for Prime Minister cannot see back stabbing Sunak getting many votes. Members are still very fond of Boris and want him to stand again.

Must say that the more I see and hear of Sunak, the more I dislike him