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A Likely list / (and how they voted in the 2016 Referendum)

Remoaners:
Wallace       
Truss         
Hunt         
Schapps       
Sunak         
Javid         
Hancock        (Amazing but he's serious)

Leavers
Mordaunt     
Baker         
Frost         
Davis         
Braverman     
Gove          (if you could ever believe him)
Zahawi

Probably likely that Hancock's bid is because he hasn't been sectioned yet?  Sunak and Javid are both socially damaged goods and Schapps will struggle to get in round one, where they all need an 8 vote minimum to qualify. Hopefully the Remoaner's will diversify themselves around a bit and the Leavers will all unite right through.

Tory members (included in last round as voters, along with MP's) might make Steve Baker (51) an unexpected success. He's very popular with the activists and 4 years younger than Johnson was at 55 was when he got the keys in 2019.  Lord David Frost (57) is unlikely to be in with a chance. Constitutionally he could serve as PM (as Lord Douglas Hume did in '64) and a constituency be then 'found' for him but it's an encumbrance of circumstance this time I believe?.

David Davis (74) would be a good choice as a 'stand in' Premier in preparation for Frost/Baker in the next General Election in say 2024? However the Remoaners would have their own schemes to leap frog either Wallace or Truss through. Hunt is very much last weeks unwashed pants it hopefully seems?

Zahawi, The dark horse! I've always thought a very capable man too and could also show well with the members

I thought I heard that Gove had ruled himself out which surprised me. I can't stand him since his scheming misfired and saddled us with May. Certainly in the last two years none of them have brought much joy to me. I hadn't realised that David Davis was that old. For me that would rule him out which is a shame as he and Frost seem to be closest to my views. Which should certainly ensure neither get the job.

Quote from: Cassandra on July 07, 2022, 10:19:02 PMTory members (included in last round as voters, along with MP's) might make Steve Baker (51) an unexpected success. He's very popular with the activists

He's very popular with the activists

Which is why I predict he won't make it to the membership vote.

When Cameron resigned, Andrea Leadsom, a staunch Brexiter, was the activists' candidate of choice by a country mile, which is why a Remainer in the Tory Party stirred up the hornets' nest about her saying something involving her knowing  more about children than Theresa May, who hadn't had any children, did.

This led to Andrea withdrawing & staunch Remainer May being shoe-horned in as PM without any membership vote.

Steve Baker was the chairman of the Tory Brexiteer ERG which scuppered May's attempts to keep us in the EU.

I predict the membership will have to vote between Wallace & Hunt, both committed Remainers.

Hunt is a gaffe-prone moronic May supporter who called his Japanese wife Chinese when on a visit to Beijing when in the Foreign Office & one of the worst Health Ministers of any Government.

He's nothing but May in trousers as the New Statesman calls him.

By activists I meant common or garden Tory members Phil, like I used to be. Watching GB news earlier, their poll had Baker at the top.

May is a true field toilet, looks OK until you open the door and not somewhere to hang about in. She's not there this time and her putrid supporters Barwell, Gauke, Gyimah, Hammond, Grieve, Berger, Goldsmith, Soubry (yuk, pass the sick bag please), et al. were all big hitters in their time and now thank God are long gone. The Red Wallers's are now very aware that the Reds are definitely under the bed now too.

I find this thread very informative and interesting..
I know little of politics.. and this helps..  

You'd possibly be happier right now if you didn't understand....

Soon to be the only booming enterprise in the land...

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July 08, 2022, 12:31:07 PM
One thing about Boris was he seemed to be still chipper even giving his resignation speech.

Unlike...

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Why dosen't Boris form his own political party?  My dream team would be, and only because I like them, they would probably not agree on anything and likely kill each other,  Boris, Nigel Farage,  Laurence Fox and Neil Oliver but save him for Nicola's job - what do you think Raven?

There are already new parties out there you could probably support but our first past the post electoral system means your vote will count for precisely nothing.

The Brexit Party has rebranded and has been running in the recent by elections. Didn't know? That's because they just get reported as Others if at all.

https://www.reformparty.uk/

Quote from: Diasi on July 07, 2022, 10:48:16 PMHe's very popular with the activists

Which is why I predict he won't make it to the membership vote.

When Cameron resigned, Andrea Leadsom, a staunch Brexiter, was the activists' candidate of choice by a country mile, which is why a Remainer in the Tory Party stirred up the hornets' nest about her saying something involving her knowing  more about children than Theresa May, who hadn't had any children, did.

This led to Andrea withdrawing & staunch Remainer May being shoe-horned in as PM without any membership vote.

Steve Baker was the chairman of the Tory Brexiteer ERG which scuppered May's attempts to keep us in the EU.

I predict the membership will have to vote between Wallace & Hunt, both committed Remainers.

Hunt is a gaffe-prone moronic May supporter who called his Japanese wife Chinese when on a visit to Beijing when in the Foreign Office & one of the worst Health Ministers of any Government.

He's nothing but May in trousers as the New Statesman calls him.

I've amended my post to read will have to vote between Wallace & Hunt, both committed Remainers as Baker & Hunt made no sense.

I think Truss is emerging as a bit of an intellectual lightweight thank goodness. Hunt's eyes have gone stary recently, redolent of Jack Nicholson in 'The Smiling' somehow? For the Remoaners, Wallace has the best chance.

I've always like JRM - but he's a bit 'clingy' to Boris and not very popular up North course, as yet another Old Etonian, he's far too posh and Southerncentric. Intellectually probably the best though? Also, rather importantly he hasn't declared yet, although it's a fast moving frame just now!

As long as it's a leaver I'm happy. I really like Suella Braverman (The Attorney General) aged 42, married 2 children, fierce Brexiteer and a very good mind. Indian extraction her parents came here from Mauritius in 1960, a Buddhist, not a Muslim. Perhaps we need a balanced, intelligent female mind right now and I believe this lady lines up?

Still a member of the Conservatives, I will vote for the same reason last time - Brexit. Margaret came from nowhere to oust Heath in 1975 and I have a fancy that Suella could do the same job, but directly as PM now.

Starmer's diatribe this morning over a 'no confidence vote' was stunningly immature and flooded with naivete. His 'gung ho' attitude embarrasses me as a fellow in our chosen profession. Let Boris, the fallen man serve his time usefully as caretaker? As long as his wretched spouse keeps away from sponsoring more Green rubbish and he desists from promising more bullets (that we don't have) to Ukraine, he should be utilised as scenery before the next act enters stage right (hopefully not left!). In that way he could mimic Biden as an example.

Quote from: Cassandra on July 08, 2022, 04:49:57 PMStill a member of the Conservatives, I will vote for the same reason last time - Brexit. Margaret came from nowhere to oust Heath in 1975 and I have a fancy that Suella could do the same job, but directly as PM now.

And I will also vote for whichever candidiate is a Brexiteer.

But I'd prefer Steve Baker.

Quote from: Diasi on July 08, 2022, 06:53:36 PMAnd I will also vote for whichever candidiate is a Brexiteer.

But I'd prefer Steve Baker.

Wouldn't argue with that at all, I don't mind either, Baker's very open and refreshing and also pulls a lot of support from the 1922 committee. I hear they also get on well together too! One as PM, the other as deputy, now that would pin Starmer and his'Dinger' growler back a bit!

Interesting to see how they all voted in the Referendum  !   :upvote:

Quote from: Cassandra on July 08, 2022, 10:06:48 PMWouldn't argue with that at all, I don't mind either, Baker's very open and refreshing and also pulls a lot of support from the 1922 committee. I hear they also get on well together too! One as PM, the other as deputy, now that would pin Starmer and his'Dinger' growler back a bit!

That would be a good combination.

Talking of Starmer & the Growler, I see that Durham Police didn't deem eating & drinking in the Durham Labour Party offices to be outside the lockdown rules as work had taken place.

I always thought that work took place in number 10.

I most certainly won't be voting for Tom Tugendhat who's a staunch committed remainer.

Also  he's related to a Judge called Tugendhat, or Tugendtwat as he was known on one of the McCann forums.

Justice Tugendtwat helped to crush a retired solicitor who published a book that challenged the McCann's account of what happened to their daughter.

Tugendhat had an article in the Telegraph a couple of days ago. He certainly talked the talk about healing the divisions in the party and not a hint of EU basis. If one didn't know better, he came across (without actually saying it) as in favour of Brexit.
Mike

Quote from: Michael Rolls on July 09, 2022, 09:05:08 AMTugendhat had an article in the Telegraph a couple of days ago. He certainly talked the talk about healing the divisions in the party and not a hint of EU basis. If one didn't know better, he came across (without actually saying it) as in favour of Brexit.
Mike

A Remainer is a Remainer is a Remainer & will never be in favour of Brexit.

However, there will be some who are sucked in, just as there were in 1975.

that's how I read him
Mike

Quote from: Diasi on July 09, 2022, 09:01:29 AMI most certainly won't be voting for Tom Tugendhat who's a staunch committed remainer.

Also  he's related to a Judge called Tugendhat, or Tugendtwat as he was known on one of the McCann forums.

Justice Tugendtwat helped to crush a retired solicitor who published a book that challenged the McCann's account of what happened to their daughter.

Yes, remember him well. He also overturned a 'Super Injuction' upon Footballer John Terry in 2010. Old moneyed wealthy family, Austrian by extinction.

Like his MP relative was certainly selective when declaring his values.

Quote from: Alex on July 08, 2022, 10:27:51 PMInteresting to see how they all voted in the Referendum  !   :upvote:

Allez - oop!

https://brexitcatchup.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/remainers-and-leavers-lists-all-mps-names/ (https://brexitcatchup.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/remainers-and-leavers-lists-all-mps-names/)

Quote from: Diasi on July 08, 2022, 10:42:07 PMThat would be a good combination.

Talking of Starmer & the Growler, I see that Durham Police didn't deem eating & drinking in the Durham Labour Party offices to be outside the lockdown rules as work had taken place.

I always thought that work took place in number 10.

Starmer must have known the Durham Police would not fine him before he opened his mouth and said he would resign.  I see very little difference in this gathering and the Downing Street gatherings, at least Downing street where working to govern the country at the time.  Of course if rumours are true that a leading Durham Policeman was also at the gathering?

Anna Soubry just endorsed Sajid Javid and Tom Tugendhat 😬😬

That could be the kiss of death for both of them

Quote from: Jacqueline on July 09, 2022, 02:09:20 PMStarmer must have known the Durham Police would not fine him before he opened his mouth and said he would resign.  I see very little difference in this gathering and the Downing Street gatherings, at least Downing street where working to govern the country at the time.  Of course if rumours are true that a leading Durham Policeman was also at the gathering?

Indeed, it was obvious that the investigation would be rigged as soon as he said he'd resign.

Durham Police have already been the subject of a corruption in public office offence.

https://bit.ly/3bUI0FP

They also have a litany of other dodgy policing practices.

https://bit.ly/3AEXBUA

Quote from: Diasi on July 09, 2022, 03:50:21 PMIndeed, it was obvious that the investigation would be rigged as soon as he said he'd resign.

Durham Police have already been the subject of a corruption in public office offence.

https://bit.ly/3bUI0FP

They also have a litany of other dodgy policing practices.

https://bit.ly/3AEXBUA

Why dosen't that surprise me?   Funny how Cressida was ousted before the investigation into Downing Street gatherings, not that I could stand the woman but I wonder if Khan put someone else in to make sure Boris and Co. all got fined?  Are the Met and Durham Police even playing by the same rules?

I have been looking at Nadine Dorries..  I like what I see..

She was good in I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here  :yahoo:  :yahoo:

July 10, 2022, 05:36:14 PM
Guido's latest

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iwBM_YB1sE

OK so I was lying....

Quote from: Scrumpy on July 10, 2022, 12:08:15 PMI have been looking at Nadine Dorries..  I like what I see..

She's certainly achieved some social mobility, no family wealth, grew up in a council house in Liverpool, dad drove a bus and she went to a comp.

To me, she embodies a work ethic and personal responsibility. Both positives.

Quote from: Alex on July 10, 2022, 05:30:30 PMShe was good in I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here  :yahoo:  :yahoo:

July 10, 2022, 05:36:14 PM
Guido's latest

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I hope this is a bloody joke.. cannot stand the man.

July 10, 2022, 06:41:28 PM

Quote from: GrannyMac on July 10, 2022, 06:36:30 PMShe's certainly achieved some social mobility, no family wealth, grew up in a council house in Liverpool, dad drove a bus and she went to a comp.

To me, she embodies a work ethic and personal responsibility. Both positives.

She sounds good to me..  

Too many skeletons in Nadine's cupboard unfortunately.  The Labour Party would have a field day, as would the remoaners !

Quote from: Alex on July 10, 2022, 05:30:30 PMJuly 10, 2022, 05:36:14 PM
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Do you think the rankings are on a par with the pictures. Several have changed sex as has Hunt along with gaining a bit of a tan.  :nooo:

Guido is usually on the ball, I didn't notice the photos !!! :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

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Some are two faced.. !!

:grin: :grin: :grin:

Heat hasn't addled your brain yet then....

:grin: :grin: Brain still functioning .. just.

Don't forget both Susnake and Penny Mordaunt got their stalls up early (The former almost before Johnson expired)! So they would take early leads. Gruppenfurer Schapps was struggling to get together even 8 votes, so has evaporated at a first ask of 20 votes to qualify thank god. He now clicks heels to his teutonic cousin Tugenhadt. This devoted remoaner is now trying to convince everyone that he loves Brexit! Only thing going for him is he opposes Mrs Johnson's green rubbish. Truss similarly opines against nett - zero etc, but is a full through Remainer and May worshipper.

New boy Pakistani born Rehman Chishti is a Leaver, who stood for Labour in the 2005 General Election. Can't see him making up 20 votes, but perhaps he appeals to the Pakistan originated leavers, whereas fellow ethnic Sajid Javid an ex Big EU Banker is a full-on Remainer?

What a depressing lot. I expect they will put somebody in charge who guarantees they lose the next election.

Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2022, 05:35:22 PMWhat a depressing lot. I expect they will put somebody in charge who guarantees they lose the next election.
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Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2022, 05:35:22 PMWhat a depressing lot. I expect they will put somebody in charge who guarantees they lose the next election.

And there's at least a 50% chance of doing it.

Will Suella drop out to back Kemi  ? :hmm:  :hmm:

I imagine that the majority of people will take this election process on face-value with MPs voting for the candidates who they think will be the best leader / PM.

However, this isn't the case. Most MPs will vote for who they think will be the leader who will help them up the political career ladder.

This is why Badenoch did far better than expected & Suella Braverman did far worse that expected.

In reality what's happening is some of the MPs who want Sunak to become leader will have voted for Badenoch & will continue to do so as they'll want her in the final two on the membership ballot paper.

This is because they know that it's the only way that Sunak stands a chance of getting elected.

The bulk of the membership don't like Sunak, but he'd be the choice if was him or Badenoch.

Penny Mordaunt will thrash Sunak in the membership ballot which is why is why Sunak's supporters will be peddling as much negativity about her as possible.

P.S. For all you who would happily choose Badenoch, one of her main aims is to scrap the Winter Fuel Allowance for those pensioners who don't get Pension Credit.

I wonder just how rosy those career prospects will be in opposition. If Sunak becomes leader the only cabinet positions he'll be offering in a couple of years will be in his shadow cabinet. Assuming he even keeps the job after the election defeat of course.

I think that Lord Frost has drastically reduced the chance of Penny Mordaunt getting in.  He said she is useless and he often did not know where she was.  He also said she is woke although trying to deny it now.

I'll just repeat an earlier post I made in this thread. With this lot being the choice it's time to invest in this booming business...

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Quote from: Sheila on July 14, 2022, 09:14:56 AMI think that Lord Frost has drastically reduced the chance of Penny Mordaunt getting in.  He said she is useless and he often did not know where she was.  He also said she is woke although trying to deny it now.

Well what did I just a few posts up!

Mud slinging in a desperate attempt to stop her getting to a membership vote

What a shower, don't want any of them.  It's a damned shame that the Tory membership will only get the final two losers, sorry winners to choose from I am sure they could make a better choice.

Whoever from this lot becomes PM they have lost the next election, as I think a large chunk of voters will desert them, probably not to Labour directly but will not vote at all. I wouldn't vote for a party with one of that lot in charge, immigrant multi millionare with non dom wife, remainers, wokes, middle management type women, no way.  I voted for the Tories (damned for all eternity!) because Boris was the leader, I know many thought the same and it was he who got them the landslide election results.  

I don't know what to think now after listening to Lord Frost shoot down Penny Mordaunt.  He doesn't support Sunak, so why would he discredit Mordaunt ?

Proud to say I've never voted Tory in my life, Never will. :yay:

Quote from: Jacqueline on July 14, 2022, 10:31:06 AMit was he who got them the landslide election results. 

I'm inclined to think that the landslide was more because Farage stood the Brexit Party down in Tory seats to give them a free run.

Quote from: Raven on July 14, 2022, 11:17:37 AMProud to say I've never voted Tory in my life, Never will.

I have but not for many years. I just voted for a bunch of Liberals pretending to be Tories.

Quote from: Alex on July 14, 2022, 11:08:34 AMI don't know what to think now after listening to Lord Frost shoot down Penny Mordaunt.  He doesn't support Sunak, so why would he discredit Mordaunt ?

It's because Frost was never a believer in Brexit, he tried to appear to be doing a good job of negotiating when in fact he wasn't as he thought we were better off in the EU.

Frost wants a Remainer PM.

Frost doesn't want a committed Brexiteer to be our next PM who'll do all the things that he tried not to do.

https://bit.ly/3Pnsila

Penny Mordaunt is an ardent Brexiteer who stood up to Theresa May & she'd be a real threat to all the Remainers who want the UK to be tied, closely, to the EU for eternity.

https://bit.ly/3RvqAQD

I didn't know he was a remainer   :wtf:
Then who on earth put him in charge of going to Brussels ?

Remainers?

That's an obvious answer klondike  :hmm:

I think most of the Tory party were/are remainers.  

Quote from: klondike on July 14, 2022, 12:02:52 PMI think most of the Tory party were/are remainers. 

I think a lot of MPs are Remainers who've seen failed UK MP Kinnock do very nicely out of the EU.

The EU is indeed a home for failed politicians. Excellent place in their eyes no doubt with no annoying voters/taxpayers to concern themselves with.

Rishi Sunak anag. Hi risk anus...

Thanks for that  :grin:

You're welcome  :grin:

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Most are out to feather their own nest.. Politicians are a very greedy lot.. 
Most would betray another to keep their jobs and perks..

Quote from: Floydy on July 14, 2022, 01:42:30 PMRishi Sunak anag. Hi risk anus...

Lol, mint.  :clap:

Well that's Brexiteer Suella Braverman out of the leadership contest.

Sunak (101) & Penny Mordaunt (83) are now some way ahead of the pack, with Liz Truss (64) still in third place.

I fully expect to see Penny Mordaunt subjected to another round of negative sniping & voting collusion by the supporters of Badenoch & Tugendhat.

Not Truss.  Please not Truss.

Quote from: Alex on July 14, 2022, 11:08:34 AMI don't know what to think now after listening to Lord Frost shoot down Penny Mordaunt.  He doesn't support Sunak, so why would he discredit Mordaunt ?

I'd believe not only Lord Frost, but many others who have worked with her. She's thought to "not be the sharpest knife in the drawer"? I will no longer support her (full reasoning below), so it's Kemi Brachenose, or in all likelihood, the beginning of the end for Conservatism under Sunak, Truss or Mordaunt, in which case I'll likely never vote again.

More disturbing to me is the news that she makes up to sup with 'Bill Gates' and his 'The World Economic Forum'. The super billionaire has now become convinced he can save us all from ourselves single handedly, with his 'Insect Food school dinners' and 'Veggie substitutes for everything. Gates is now the World's Largest Genetically Modified Crops Farmer. He's hell bent on dominating what we all eat from the supply side. In other words he's in the food shortage business along with the other super rich ideologists who meet secretly in Davos every year and who are perhaps the most serious threat to World Democracy since 1939. What is printed below is from the text of a speech Mordaunt made in October 2018 at Edinburgh University -

"To do this, (UK progress on development) we will continue to drive innovation through our strong partnerships – with UK academia, with the private sector and with our friends at the Gates Foundation."

One of the WEF's leaders is Klaus Swab (84) whose mission statement for us is- "You will own nothing and be happy". He develops the 'youth leaders for the WEF' and has been very successful to date having anointed Trudeau, Adern and Macron in place as puppets for his regime. Plus many others who now hold or influence World Leaders.

See this 'luminary', of whom Prince Charles is in awe of here and  listen to his message. Remind you of anyone?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=klaus+swab+you+in+this+room+video&atb=v314-1&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5jZb92wmoiI (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=klaus+swab+you+in+this+room+video&atb=v314-1&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5jZb92wmoiI)

Seig heil...  !!!

Having watched last night's discussion, my favourite is now Kemi Badenoch.  Tugendhat came over well but he is a remainer.

I can't decide, not that I'll have a vote !  I like Kemi but she doesn't have much experience, but then again neither did David Cameron ! 
I would choose perhaps Liz Truss, but I still think the result is in the bag for Sunak - hope I'm wrong. :cool:

After watching the 'debate' twixt Sunak, Mordaunt, Truss, Tugenhadt (actually a 'rejoiner'!) and Brachenose last night on the Guardians TV service, also known as Channel 4 I'm thoroughly depressed. From the Indian Liar to 'Ironing Board Truss' the first 4 are cliche ridden eccedentesiasts! None even touched on immigration or the indoctrinal management of 'Fear' via 'Nett Zero'! Only the black lady seems to have some independent thought processes. I'd perhaps vote for her. But ask myself is there any longer a point, after all in reality all the decisions are made in other places, none from Westminster now!

The World Economic Forum through it's intermediaries, The World Health Organisation, The United Nations, The International Monetary Fund, The European Council of Human Rights, The World Bank etc now run the world. It wouldn't make any difference what side of the bench in the Commons they sit or their name, Sunak or Starmer. All are subsidiary to the likes of Schwab, Soros, Gates, Zuckerburg, Blackrock Fidelity (Fink) and Vanguard Securities (Google co founders Brin and Page). Oiling the wheels are the major Bankers like Goldman Sachs etc. These shadowy Cabals now run the world by the malignancy and restrictive force of their new weapons, food and medication, both by production and distribution.

Whoever is future PM will get their Email instructions daily from Davos or New York and the quote for the day, 'Build it back better', 'Own nothing and be happy' etc.

It seems to me Generation 'Z' and the Millenials are Smartphone washed receptacle's wanting to be left alone to play' Just like the final 'beautiful people' left on earth in HG Wells wonderful story  'The Time Machine'. 'The Eloi' were cultivated for food by 'The Morlocks', ugly creatures of the machine, who lived below the earth's surface, surfacing at night to round up  the former to provide food. The 'Eloi' you see eventually no longer possessed the will to even resist their oppressive controllers or to comprehend how they were being bred as purely sustenance for the elite.

God help the World we once knew, it's surely all over now!

I fear your correct in your summing up Cass. I remember seeing that film when I was quite young. I got the message back then and I didn't like it one bit. I remember talking to my dad about and he laughed and said Don't worry lass the human race is far from daft........Oh Dear.  :cry:

Quote from: Sheila on July 16, 2022, 11:59:42 AMHaving watched last night's discussion, my favourite is now Kemi Badenoch.  Tugendhat came over well but he is a remainer.

Badenoch is duplicitous & self-serving.

She was the chairperson of the committee that selects Tory candidates to become an MP.

Her husband stood to be a candidate but she used her positon to remove his nomination.

She justified it by saying she didn't want to be seen as using her position to get him elected.

Well why didn't she resign from the committee & let him stand as MP.

I'll tell you why, her husband, had he been elected, would have been far more appealing to the public & more successful as an MP & he would have eclipsed her career & she wasn't prepared to take that risk.

I certainly wouldn't vote for someone who wasn't even loyal to their own partner.

All career politicians are duplicitous and self serving. What's more none of these career politicians including Olukemi Badenacht were criticising the prime minister or the government, or proposing a different course, up to last week, so he (Boris Johnson) can't be all that bad.

As a Tory Party voting member I had made up my mind not to vote if Penny Mordaunt wasn't on the ballot paper, solely because of the skullduggery being used to eliminate her, including the rigged Conservative Home league table that now has Badenoch well out in front with the carefully selected small group of party members. Conservative Home have never asked my opinion.

I may, instead, send in my ballot paper with "I have zero confidence in either candidate & am considering my continued membership of the party".

If the ballot is between Truss & Badenoch I may well have  to suck air through my teeth & vote for Truss to help to make sure that Badenoch isn't elected.

The same would have to apply if the ballot was between Sunak & Truss.

As one who has no say in the matter but may be affected,

Truss very weak and was a libdem activist before seeking a career
Mordaunt very ultra woke and close to the Gates/WEF
Badenacht cannot be said in public any more but  a humiliation
Tugendhut who?
God please help let none of them win

Quote from: Ashy on July 17, 2022, 01:15:16 PMAs one who has no say in the matter but may be affected,

Truss very weak and was a libdem activist before seeking a career
Mordaunt very ultra woke and close to the Gates/WEF
Badenacht cannot be said in public any more but  a humiliation
Tugendhut who?
God please help let none of them win

I have to admit that I'm looking forward to a new PM so that I can enjoy watching the sheer disillusionment of those who wanted to get rid of Boris when the only thing the new PM does is to steer clear of the wallpaper & drinks at Number 10 pitfalls but the energy bills, & therefore the cost-of-living, still rocket upwards in October.

Happy days for me.

Quote from: Ashy on July 17, 2022, 01:15:16 PMAs one who has no say in the matter but may be affected,

Truss very weak and was a libdem activist before seeking a career
Mordaunt very ultra woke and close to the Gates/WEF
Badenacht cannot be said in public any more but  a humiliation
Tugendhut who?
God please help let none of them win

It none of them win it will be Sunak continuing his highest tax burden in decades policy and ignoring the pain of millions. In short a guaranteed win for Labour at the next election rather than the Labour/Lib/SNP coalition that would be the case had Boris continued or any of the others become PM. The Tories are now a busted flush by their own hands. Proof once again that oppositions don't win, governments lose.

Quote from: klondike on July 18, 2022, 09:11:18 AMIt none of them win it will be Sunak continuing his highest tax burden in decades policy and ignoring the pain of millions. In short a guaranteed win for Labour at the next election rather than the Labour/Lib/SNP coalition that would be the case had Boris continued or any of the others become PM. The Tories are now a busted flush by their own hands. Proof once again that oppositions don't win, governments lose.

The only bit of hope for the Tories is that the Labour Party in-fighting is far greater than that of the Tories.

Starmer and Rayner are looking more like allies in public than they can possibly be politically. I think it was Alex speculating that there could even be some hanky panky going on although I really can't see that as being likely.

Quote from: klondike on July 18, 2022, 09:57:48 AMStarmer and Rayner are looking more like allies in public than they can possibly be politically. I think it was Alex speculating that there could even be some hanky panky going on although I really can't see that as being likely.

I suppose Starmer, like most blokes, won't be averse to a bit of rough.  :grin:

Quote from: Diasi on July 17, 2022, 12:26:30 PMBadenoch is duplicitous & self-serving.

Well what did I tell ya!!

Badenoch, who was dismissive of net-zero when she started her campaign, is now fully committed to it.

Not so ' poorly thought through ' after all then  ? :busted:

Quote from: Diasi on July 18, 2022, 05:50:00 PMWell what did I tell ya!!

Badenoch, who was dismissive of net-zero when she started her campaign, is now fully committed to it.

Hadn't heard that. Well thats the end of her too then. What a motley and slippery bunch they all are. Incidentally none of them can deny 'nett-zero'. We committed to it in the 'EU Exit Agreement'. So once again the UK is run on rails by Europe, but the Green taxes could still be rebated for a moratorium of relief in this current maelstrom of price rises! We need to axe the 'Brexit Agreement via Article 16 and free ourselves from the chains on Nett Zero, the ECHR and the Refugees Convention of 1951. We won't of course, no desire and no guts anywhere!

Also. In the last three days of her 'Premiership' Theresa May passed a bill through 'unopposed' to reduce our target of nett zero FROM 2050 down TO 2030.

Why? ...

I now longer care about who wins or loses, from here on, it's pointless!

because she could - and I have a sneaky suspicion that she did it to make live difficult for her successor - it's a stupid target, unattainable without inflicting a lot of hardship on the general population
Mike

So the choice will be between Sunak (high tax for those who can't dodge it as he and his wife have shown they can) Mordant (woke trans rights supporter) or the remainer Truss (May Mk2 as labelled by Farage).

I reckon Starmer should ask if he can measure up for wallpaper now before inflation doubles the price by the time he moves in within the next couple of years or so.

It takes some skill to whittle down a lack lustre bunch to probably the three worst options.

Perhaps we'd be better with Boris?

I think you're right Sheila.   :busted:

Boris was the best... But his own worse enemy..

I'd like to know why none of them has promised to do anything about all these dingy people arriving here. :angry: Am I missing something? Is there a bung for the MPs going on somewhere? :waiting:

What is the SNP position on this?

Probably none as it doesn't effect them.

The MPs won't know that it has any impact on them either until they find themselves looking for proper jobs.

 " More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader and add his name to the leadership ballot " 

it won't happen

Quote from: Michael Rolls on July 20, 2022, 12:27:51 PMit won't happen

I know it won't happen, I'm still convinced it's a "fix" and Sunak will be the next PM.

Imo Sunak = labour majority. Red wall voters are unlikely to warm to a rich boy who does sod all for them. Either of the other two probably mean a coalition.

Do ordinary red wall voters get a vote on this ?

Only if they are party members. They all do in the next general election though which is the one I am predicting?

This one is pretty much an irrelevance now as there are only establishment supporters left. What is needed is some radical thinking to avoid the cost of living disaster that approaches. Folks living hand to mouth will be unable to find the upcoming new energy charges let alone cope with food price inflation too.

Quote from: Alex on July 20, 2022, 12:26:34 PM" More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader and add his name to the leadership ballot " 

I've just watched Prime Ministers Question time and Boris is very quick witted and seems to smile more than get annoyed at rude criticism.

Quote from: Alex on July 20, 2022, 12:26:34 PM" More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader and add his name to the leadership ballot " 

I wish they would to save us from one of the dreadful lot who will be the next PM.

can't say that any of the candidates enthuse me

Snap.

Boris is the only current Tory with any pzaz and charisma the rest are plain boring. He was forgiven for having the morals of an alley cat which in the past would have sunk him.  The establishment never forgave him for delivering a Brexit and used his inability to tell the truth to bring him down ably assisted by the media.

He may have been better that that lot but even without the lies his laxity on immigration, no working solution for illegal immigration and costly Net Zero targets made his future bleak. When you throw in the stuff that may well be beyond his control - high inflation and super high energy costs there was little chance he'd have won the next election anyway. When everything goes to ratshit on your watch you are doomed regardless of blame.

I don't think that bloke Sunak should be in the running at all. He resigned and walked away from his job. In other words HE LEFT. So he shouldn't be able to try for PM.
He should be gone.

Quote from: klondike on July 20, 2022, 04:55:09 PMBoris is the only current Tory with any pzaz and charisma the rest are plain boring. He was forgiven for having the morals of an alley cat which in the past would have sunk him.  The establishment never forgave him for delivering a Brexit and used his inability to tell the truth to bring him down ably assisted by the media.

He may have been better that that lot but even without the lies his laxity on immigration, no working solution for illegal immigration and costly Net Zero targets made his future bleak. When you throw in the stuff that may well be beyond his control - high inflation and super high energy costs there was little chance he'd have won the next election anyway. When everything goes to ratshit on your watch you are doomed regardless of blame.

I can't see any of the main parties getting on top of illegal immigration without some changes in international law. If that is unlikely, then the processing and deporting needs to speed up massively, cos the dinghies won't just stop.

IMO Boris' biggest mistake was firing Dominic Cummings. He put the poison in, and that was the start of Boris' downfall.

Unfortunately he probably has a very low attention span and is unable to self discipline into detail. Self evidently his Achilles Heel, I would suggest?

Many, many promising young things came through from University to the 'pupil barrister' portal in my time in chambers. Their intellect however also needed the resolve to assimilate the history of 'precedents' and the discipline to read and research a brief thoroughly. Their conceit and nonchalance exposed their inevitable fallibilities to lesser mortals, who worked in parallel with the necessary diligence to retain experience and succeed.

This P.M.'s inevitable downfall became apparent very early on to me. He cannot blame anyone but himself. His personality flaw is to bypass that which bores him and will always be his ultimate nemesis, he cannot change. He's best to stick to writing and public speaking, his great strengths which will earn him the fortunes he needs to support his eccentric lifestyle and it's enigmatic needs!

By no means an evil man, like many behind him today! It's actually a tragedy that so much promise was squandered with such 'laissez-faire' panache, in such a short time.

We will never see his like again ...

Quote from: Raven on July 20, 2022, 08:10:30 PMI don't think that bloke Sunak should be in the running at all. He resigned and walked away from his job. In other words HE LEFT. So he shouldn't be able to try for PM.
He should be gone.

Back stabbing little snake that Sunak, I just hope Liz Truss gets the votes although I am not that keen on her either.

Odds on now Liz for Prime Minister cannot see back stabbing Sunak getting many votes. Members are still very fond of Boris and want him to stand again.

Must say that the more I see and hear of Sunak, the more I dislike him

Quote from: Jacqueline on July 20, 2022, 01:40:55 PMI wish they would to save us from one of the dreadful lot who will be the next PM.

4,000 at the last count.

If you look at my previous posts I did say, in one of them at least, that the ballot would be rigged to be between Sunak & Truss.

I've messaged the Party to suggest it would have been better for Tory HQ to just give us a choice between Sunak & Truss rather than the utterly farcical leadership campaign which has done nothing more than to provide amusement & column inches for the media.

P.S. At the current moment I'm debating whether or not to bother voting or to return my ballot paper with "I have no confidence in either candidate & therefore I will not vote for either of them".

Apart from Boris who would be your choice?

My own is impossible - Farage but I reckon he may well be pulled back into politics soon in some way supporting Reform UK which is what the Brexit Party morphed into and is headed up by Richard Tice.

Unfortunately our first past the post electoral system dooms any new party to failure.

Quote from: klondike on July 21, 2022, 09:16:41 AMApart from Boris who would be your choice?

My own is impossible - Farage but I reckon he may well be pulled back into politics soon in some way supporting Reform UK which is what the Brexit Party morphed into and is headed up by Richard Tice.

Unfortunately our first past the post electoral system dooms any new party to failure.

My choice, accepting that I think I shouldn't be having to make a choice, would have been Penny Mordaunt.

Forget the "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" sniping as a PM doesn't have to be.

I'd have voted for Penny Mordaunt, as would 80% of the Party members (forget the rigged Conservative Home surveys which are the views of a carefully chosen small panel of members) because she'd have been our best bet in the 2024 General Election, which I can't see us winning now.

The last thing the Party needs is either a slick leader or a dull leader which Sunak & Truss exude in equal measure.

Boris didn't need ability to win the Red Wall seats, he won them because of his personality & he came across as a bit of a Jack-the-Lad character which appealed to the lads in the building site mess huts.

P.S. I was at a Party meeting which our MP attended & he also thinks that it's a bad move getting rid of Boris Johnson.

Quote from: Diasi on July 21, 2022, 09:39:21 AMthe 2024 General Election, which I can't see us winning now

Me neither but I'm not convinced it was possible with Boris in charge either after all the media slamming and his inability to admit any mistakes. The final straw was ludicrous. First why appoint a cock groper and second why deny he knew the allegations when he had apparently been warned about them in public.

Quote from: klondike on July 21, 2022, 10:02:18 AMMe neither but I'm not convinced it was possible with Boris in charge either after all the media slamming and his inability to admit any mistakes. The final straw was ludicrous. First why appoint a cock groper and second why deny he knew the allegations when he had apparently been warned about them in public.

Maybe because they were unproven allegations at the time, but I agree he shouldn't have appointed him.

I still think that in two years time he could have pulled it off.

Forget the 'offendeds of Tiverton', they aren't the ones in the Red Wall seats who'd have backed Boris again, based purely on his Jack-the-Lad non-conformist character.

And the 'offendeds of Tiverton' would have returned to voting for the Tories in 2024.

Boris will start rolling in the £millions and good luck to him. Surprising just how people have been on TV supporting Rishi, but none of them will not need worry about the rise in the cost of Living. Liz will get my vote so that's one she's will get. 

We watched the old film Reach for the Sky again yesterday and the way Roger Moore played Douglas Bader kept making me think about Boris.  It was the same blustering and lack of attention to detail.  I'm not criticising Boris, I quite like him.

Quote from: hugh on July 25, 2022, 09:59:17 AMBoris will start rolling in the £millions and good luck to him. Surprising just how people have been on TV supporting Rishi, but none of them will not need worry about the rise in the cost of Living. Liz will get my vote so that's one she's will get.

I'm voting for Liz Truss on the basis of keeping an ethnic Indian out of the top job.

I won't be watching any of the debates or Party membership hustings as my mind was made up as soon as Sunak & Truss  were the two choices.

And I can assure you, I'm not on my own for doing it for that reason.

Can anyone answer these questions  ?

Why did Rishi Sunak in office never challenge the EU's escalating demands for more UK money after Brexit?
Why did he let the EU dictate our VAT policy?
Why did he not protest about the EU's distortion of the NI Protocol?
Why did he delay the Freeports?

Asked by John Redwood, but questions that Sunak should answer, particularly the VAT question.

Quote from: Diasi on July 25, 2022, 11:20:01 AMI'm voting for Liz Truss on the basis of keeping an ethnic Indian out of the top job.

I won't be watching any of the debates or Party membership hustings as my mind was made up as soon as Sunak & Truss  were the two choices.

And I can assure you, I'm not on my own for doing it for that reason.

If I had a vote, which I don't, I couldn't vote for Mr Sunak either, not just because he is an Indian, but he was instrumental in the coup to oust the leader of his party. There are many other questions hanging over this man, among them Tony Blair's endorsement.

Quote from: Sheila on July 25, 2022, 10:47:28 AMWe watched the old film Reach for the Sky again yesterday and the way Roger Moore played Douglas Bader kept making me think about Boris.  It was the same blustering and lack of attention to detail.  I'm not criticising Boris, I quite like him.

Kenneth, not Roger

Quote from: Ashy on July 25, 2022, 11:58:14 AMIf I had a vote, which I don't, I couldn't vote for Mr Sunak either, not just because he is an Indian, but he was instrumental in the coup to oust the leader of his party. There are many other questions hanging over this man, among them Tony Blair's endorsement.

I don't have a vote either, but if I did I certainly would not be voting for him. To me he's a very slippery customer and not to be trusted one bit.
She's not much better.

Quote from: Raven on July 25, 2022, 01:37:43 PMI don't have a vote either, but if I did I certainly would not be voting for him. To me he's a very slippery customer and not to be trusted one bit.
She's not much better.

I agree.

I said that the way the MPs' voting was being rigged I'd end up voting for the lesser of two bad candidates.

Mind you, I still wouldn't have voted for Sunak so the choice was made for me,



July 25, 2022, 02:24:30 PM
I'd have voted for Liz Truss on the basis of keeping an ethnic African out of the top job as well.

Quote from: Alex on July 20, 2022, 12:38:11 PMI know it won't happen, I'm still convinced it's a "fix" and Sunak will be the next PM.

He's a hedonistic Globalist, supported by the World Economic Forum, it's a foregone conclusion. As Stalin once famously said:

"Its not the people who vote that count,
Its the people who count the votes, that count!"

Quote from: Cassandra on July 25, 2022, 03:41:36 PMHe's a hedonistic Globalist, supported by the World Economic Forum, it's a foregone conclusion. As Stalin once famously said:

"Its not the people who vote that count,
Its the people who count the votes, that count!"

There's that voice of reason again.  :upvote:

Quote from: Cassandra on July 25, 2022, 03:41:36 PM"Its not the people who vote that count,
Its the people who count the votes, that count!"

As Donald Trump & the Republican Party can testify.

Who will be counting the votes? Each Conservative Association I hope but if it's the CCP it may be rigged.

The dye is cast way before the conclusive ballot box stage is reached! Lots of bunging and threatening will be going on as the election closing date draws nigh!

Favouring a tasty Criminal trial at the 'Bailey', where 'jurors' are 'invited' by one means or another to 're-consider' their voting decision.

Committee member for Sunak in dark arts, is of course the well practised 'Sir Gavin Williamson'. A time served expert in pecksniffian hugger-muggery (sic).

To my surprise Liz Truss 100% having watched them this evening.

I'm at the stage of 'don't care'. Whoever ends up as PM, I believe the Tories will be out at the next election.  There is no one with Boris' charisma who, as Diasi says, will appeal to the Red Wall seats.

I don't care about Sunak's ethnicity, just his disloyalty. Liz Truss seems to lack any personality.

We saw a bit of the debate but ended up switching channels. To me it showed just how Toxic the Tories really are, they certainly deserved that name last night. So rude, and all this nonsense about clothes and jewellery FFS. You would never believe that they are from the the same party who are supposed to have the same policies, but worst ememies who are miles apart.

Quote from: Ashy on July 25, 2022, 06:46:01 PMWho will be counting the votes? Each Conservative Association I hope but if it's the CCP it may be rigged.

The votes will be counted by CCHQ.

July 26, 2022, 09:07:40 AM

Quote from: GrannyMac on July 26, 2022, 06:27:40 AMI'm at the stage of 'don't care'. Whoever ends up as PM, I believe the Tories will be out at the next election.  There is no one with Boris' charisma who, as Diasi says, will appeal to the Red Wall seats.

I don't care about Sunak's ethnicity, just his disloyalty. Liz Truss seems to lack any personality.

I care about Sunaks's ethnicity as I like to see an ethnic Indian PM in India, an ethnic  Brazilian PM in Brazil etc & an ethnic Brit PM in the UK.

The votes will be counted by CCHQ. 

I truss they will count accurately in that case. I would hate to see this result:

Truss M. E. 270,694 votes, 24 brown envelopes;
Sunak R.     38,012 votes, 1,068 brown envelopes;

Sunak R duly elected

More likely....

Sunak R.    38,012 votes brown envelopes, 1,068 brown envelopes votes (mostly extended family members);

He gets elected either way. We have the finest democracy money can buy.

Quote from: Diasi on July 26, 2022, 09:03:22 AMThe votes will be counted by CCHQ.

Oh well thats a certainty then! Sunaks the winner, no need for a bung fund, when you own the committee and the counting house, who needs to waste cash on encouragements!

I certainly won't waste my time following debates etc any more, they're only scenery from now on.

Gobby Rishi could well win with voters but with members zero chance.

It shouldn't matter but I am convinced that personal appearance is very important. Sunak smiles too much. Makes him look slimey. Not as slimey as Gove certainly but enough to ensure we will never see PM Sunak imo.

Ted Heath smiled so much he could have been a slug, and look at the damage he did in only four years.

I've thought all along Sunak would win, although I hoped I was wrong.
Somehow, this will be fixed for him to become the next PM  :boo:

The impression I get is that neither of the two replacements are very popular but Miss Trust is less unpopular. However we don't know to what extent votes sent from abroad will affect the outcome and whether the outcome will make any difference given that our government is already compromised.

Latest : UK 'will be seen as racist' if Tories reject Rishi Sunak.
Lord Ranger, a key donor urges party to ensure 'watershed moment' by making former chancellor the first British Asian prime minister.
It's taken a while for someone to bring up the race card !

Change the record!!!!! ethnic quotas for Prime Minister now?  by the same token if Liz truss is not chosen UK would be misogynistic? 

Lord Ranger is Indian, I hadn't realised  :grin:

No that was Tonto...

So you will have to decide between being racist or sexist.
God started both of them by the way.

Played by Jay Silverheels, Tonto was the faithful bag carrier and companion of 'The Lone Ranger', back in black & white early fifties TV. Is the unctious Sunak related? With a name like the aforementioned, thats very possible, we should be told?

Mrs Sunak's nett worth is at least double that of the Queen's. Shame that unlike our distinguished monarch Mrs 'Green Card' chooses to play away with her husband's exchequer. If I were him, I'd chuck it in now and regain what vestiges of dignity can still be salvaged.

He's going to lose by an innings (if he can't fix the umpires?) Mind you their pretty good at doing that (plenty of practice) :busted:

'We buggered now Kemosabe - Tonto him think lets get outa here!"

Quote from: klondike on July 28, 2022, 05:07:24 PMNo that was Tonto...

 :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

Reminds me of a story I heard once.

Lone Ranger: Look Tonto, Indians, hundreds of them, and we're surrounded! I think we've had it!

Tonto: What you mean, "we"?

:grin: :grin: :grin:

:grin: :grin: :grin:

 :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

I hear on the news that Ben Wallace backs Truss..
Apparently he is a very popular guy.. and she is very pleased about it..
 I am not a fan of Sunak.. Far too wealthy to tell those that are struggling what they (hope) to do for them..
That will get people's backs up..
I could be wrong.. but for me it doesn't sit right..

I agree Scrumps, he wants to fix the economy, would that be the economy he's been in charge of for 2 ½ years  ?

It's interesting how those .. once out of power.. know all the answers to regain power..

Quote from: Alex on July 29, 2022, 07:14:04 PMI agree Scrumps, he wants to fix the economy, would that be the economy he's been in charge of for 2 ½ years  ?

:upvote:  :upvote: :upvote:

I'm told by a committee member of the local party I belong to back in England that the 'Pensioner Members' (about 65%) had already decided who to vote for, when the choice reduced to the final pair.

Unsurprisingly Sunak, who'd declared his intentions towards old people in his late budget with his mingy increment to OAP's, thereby deliberately cheating the'Triple lock' in face of runaway inflation are amassing behind Truss, intent on revenge.The late Chancellor may have thought that the old timers would either many be dead, or up for a cheap bribe 'fix' in the future. Unfortunately for his strategy the call has come too early and has motivated their satiate for revenge.

Poor piece of judgement, something this puck sized egotist specialises in it would seem? It will haunt him for the rest of his luxuriant days, whether spent in Belgravia or the land of the Tiger? Whichever has the 'friendlier tax-band to determine 'family' loyalty no doubt!

He cares not of the people.. Just the rewards of being PM.. 
He then can write a book telling us all how ... with determination.. good education.. and marrying well  we can all reach the top.. 
Ghastly man..

Quote from: Cassandra on July 29, 2022, 11:42:18 PMI'm told by a committee member of the local party I belong to back in England that the 'Pensioner Members' (about 65%) had already decided who to vote for, when the choice reduced to the final pair.

I'm happy to confirm that this is indeed the case & is the reason I haven't bothered to listen to any of the debates.

But even if he'd given us the 8% triple-lock pension rise we still wouldn't be voting for him as an Indian PM is a step too far.

  Having Indian parents, to me, is not a valid reason for NOT voting for a person..

I always thought it wouldn't make any difference to me what colour the PM was, as long as he wasn't Muslim.  But now we've come so close to having an Indian PM, I really think we should have a white British person to lead our country.  After all, they keep telling us that the immigrant population is the minority so let's go with the majority. :upvote:

Quote from: Scrumpy on July 30, 2022, 09:32:06 AMHaving Indian parents, to me, is not a valid reason for NOT voting for a person..

He's an ethnic Indian so to me, it's not only a valid reason, it's the main reason,  I will not be voting for him on that basis.

The fact that I also regard Truss as the better of two poor choices is only a secondary  reason for voting for her.

P.S. Also, as a once supporter of the National Front, I would never vote for a politician who wasn't 'White British'.

Having been told that I am a racist if I don't vote for him, I will be voting for her.

I wouldn't vote for him.. 
But I wouldn't have someone tell me I am racist if I didn't . My reasons for not doing so is because he , in my opinion, is not the right person for the job..
Getting bloody fed up with all this crap concerning people of colour or race different to mine..
We are all treading on eggshells should we say the wrong things.. Bloody fed up with BLM.. All lives matter..
They are dictating to us..

Quote from: 1955vintage on July 30, 2022, 04:06:04 PMHaving been told that I am a racist if I don't vote for him, I will be voting for her.

Quote from: Diasi on July 30, 2022, 12:42:34 PMHe's an ethnic Indian so to me, it's not only a valid reason, it's the main reason,  I will not be voting for him on that basis.

The fact that I also regard Truss as the better of two poor choices is only a secondary  reason for voting for her.

P.S. Also, as a once supporter of the National Front, I would never vote for a politician who wasn't 'White British'.

Having made many Indian and West Indian friends from my cricketing days, I am sad to say I have to agree with both comments.

I have discussed this view with my two Ex England Test match playing pals currently still out here with me and discovered that we have all reluctantly somewhat, but definitively reached the same opinion. In taking the reasoning for such a cathartic conclusion by three men, all now septuagenarians, we found it has been a slowly developing point of view festering within all of us for twenty five plus years.

In an open and frank debate, we discovered that the contrite Woke debasement of our 'ethnicity' via BLM, LGBT, Stonewall and the MSM is a complete turn off. The Corporate gobsuckers, with their pathetic TV Ads are turning our previously held opinions towards 'people of colour' through 360 degrees. Witness the very latest provocation in the Tory leadership race, where Sunak's tribal sympathiser and cohort Lord Ranger played the wretched race card upon his behalf!

"Inevitable" one of them said, "Yes, it was only a matter of when, not if?" commented my guests as they watched UK news.

Personally, I'm fed up with these people criticising us with their increasingly aggressive and regressive opinions, as to what I am and the way I should be made to think.

If you consider us all racist for not wanting an ethnic Indian, whose family came to live here and took our nationality for his own advantage, then that's your decision. Don't however conflate my feelings into your virtue signalling propaganda by possessing the temerity to tell me what to think?.

I'm bored witless by all the TV adverts featuring black actors. I never realised until watching almost non-stop Mattress adverts on GB News that 90% of marriages or bed sharers were 'people of colour'. I thought only 3% of the British Isles was ethnologically black?

It's all gone way too far. The recitations of snowflakes and their utter dross is set to rebound on them in a way they haven't considered? The English don't wash their dirty linen in public and the repression of their feelings through the oppression of a minority on the majority will end badly I fear! The present undertow effected by a one - sided set of rules is fast developing into the inevitable terminal chaos of a dysfunctional pressure cooker.
 
Our opinion, discussed here in my home is shared I believe by many people worldwide and is increasingly ignored. The like of 'Lord' Ranger et al has motivated a desire for recognition in a Nation once held high on the altar of 'Free Speech'.

Racism is perfectly normal and natural, after all, God started it. Just part of our normal recognition sense.

And there are countries in the world that rejected being governed by foreigners, even though they were doing all right under British rule, including India.

Cassandra you have said so eloquently what most of us think. We are sick and tired of it all :yell: :yell: :yell:

Quote from: Jacqueline on July 30, 2022, 09:39:19 PMCassandra you have said so eloquently what most of us think. We are sick and tired of it all :yell: :yell: :yell:

I agree. Most eloquent and sick of it.

It doesn't overly bother me that the bloke is Indian.

I am a little annoyed that he and his wife have used tax laws to minimise their UK tax payments while he is in a position to set those tax laws.

My main concern is that he wants to be PM at a time the population of facing the most challenging financial crisis in my lifetime and he is so wealthy that he can have no possible comprehension of what millions of people will be facing.

Many low paid people live a very hand to mouth existence. Last winter their typical energy bill was around £1,000pa There has been a year of quite high inflation on everyday necessitates. Wages have certainly not kept step. This winter energy bills are forecast to be around £3,000. For the likes of Sunak finding a few thousand more to pay the power bill is unlikely to be over troubling but the millions living hand to mouth already will have no chance even with a few hundred knocked off by the government.

I predict that things are going to become very very nasty indeed. I have no idea in any detail just what will happen but I think we could well see civil unrest.

Colour of their skin doesn't matter one jot to me. In fact the person who I was hoping would reach the final two was a nice shade of black. I am hoping she will get a good job under Liz. Sunak is just not a Conservative he would fit better in the Labour Party. I have a very strong feeling Liz will do a good job and deal with the cost of living, and inflation two task facing her. My vote will or should be in the post this coming week.

Quote from: klondike on July 30, 2022, 10:54:58 PMMany low paid people live a very hand to mouth existence. Last winter their typical energy bill was around £1,000pa There has been a year of quite high inflation on everyday necessitates. Wages have certainly not kept step. This winter energy bills are forecast to be around £3,000. For the likes of Sunak finding a few thousand more to pay the power bill is unlikely to be over troubling but the millions living hand to mouth already will have no chance even with a few hundred knocked off by the government.

I predict that things are going to become very very nasty indeed. I have no idea in any detail just what will happen but I think we could well see civil unrest.

I predict that one security guard in a supermarket won't be enough.

Generation Z and the millenials are already subliminally conditioned. They accept, indeed expect their lives to be controlled by the increasingly autocratic state or other hegemonys, such as the Bildenbergers or the WEF. Through auto-suggestive controls distributed via say Smartphones, or their replacements a different method of near total domination is maturing right in front of our eyes.

Aldous Huxley suggested sleep learning in his ground breaking novel 'Brave New World' in 1928. By the adaption of miniaturised digital science, the total absorbtion of the masses, and the re-write of our very history to date will be completed by the high-tec mind-control of the new masters.

Good to get an upbeat appraisal Cass  :grin:

Quote from: hugh on July 31, 2022, 08:30:00 AMColour of their skin doesn't matter one jot to me. In fact the person who I was hoping would reach the final two was a nice shade of black. I am hoping she will get a good job under Liz. Sunak is just not a Conservative he would fit better in the Labour Party. I have a very strong feeling Liz will do a good job and deal with the cost of living, and inflation two task facing her. My vote will or should be in the post this coming week.

Or me, and I had a similar hope Hugh. I didn't want Truss, but now I feel she's the more viable candidate.  Not that I have a say.

Perhaps we oldies ought to just think of ourselves, and let the following generations worry about everything else!

Quote from: GrannyMac on August 01, 2022, 07:20:22 AMPerhaps we oldies ought to just think of ourselves, and let the following generations worry about everything else!

.. and herein lies the answer..

My father was a lifelong Tory voter despite being a working class bloke. He switched over to Blair at the end of his days. That didn't work out well long term as it set us on the path of mass immigration and a middle east in turmoil. We need a conservative government. Pity there isn't one on offer.

Quote from: GrannyMac on August 01, 2022, 07:20:22 AMPerhaps we oldies ought to just think of ourselves, and let the following generations worry about everything else!

An interesting concept.

Will your grandchildren, when they can vote, do so on the current events in their life or will they vote for what they think might be best for the generation in a 100 year's time?

I think the bulk of voters vote the way that they always did usually swayed by parents or friends who were probably swayed by their parents.

Swing voters probably vote on what happened over the last six months. Or are supreme optimists idiots and believe politicians promises.

As we can't predict 100 days into the future with any certainty those that vote for what's best over the next 100 years are pretty much delusional. I certainly was when I voted for Brexit expecting us to be free of the bloody EU if the vote was won.

intrigued to see that our ex-Chancellor is talking about the basic rate of income tax coming down to 16p under his guidance. Remind me - what job did he have until recently? Didn't he put the tax burden up?
Mike

You have more chance of seeing the Titanic sailing into Loch Ness than seeing income tax reduced. As to his other scam about missing NHS appointments, we are much more likely to find we have to pay to make an appointment.

As GP appointments are rarer than rocking horse shit these days that won't  cost me much.

He is a drowning man..

Quote from: Michael Rolls on August 01, 2022, 03:01:26 PMintrigued to see that our ex-Chancellor is talking about the basic rate of income tax coming down to 16p under his guidance. Remind me - what job did he have until recently? Didn't he put the tax burden up?
Mike

Just proves what contempt these people have for us not thinking we will notice what they have recently done/not done. 

Not to worry Sunak will be moving out of number 11 shortly and not into 10. Penny now backing Liz but she has been sat on the fence too long. She was pretty popular up north so a job leveling up could be a good job for her.

They have been watching and waiting.. They now think that Truss has it sewn up.. So they will come out of the woodwork and back her..
They need to 'suck up' to her now... They want to maintain a good position in the government..

There has been a leak of Rishi's proposed cabinet should he win. It is anticipated that Liz is likely to pick a similar team...

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doubt they could do much worse
Mike  [2080]  [2080]

A new poll shows Sunak is now just 5 point behind Liz - according to The Times.   The poll was carried out by Techne, an Italian data and public affairs company. 😏

I swear by Tracey at the Co-op.. She said Truss will win..

Different paper different result.. It all depends on what you choose to look at/agree with..

Popularity among Times readers is not important. Only 160,000 party members have a vote. I am not one of them.

Yes, Times readers views are not important, I don't read the Times as you have to pay for it  :wink: !  I was (apart from contributing to the forum) pointing out that the poll was carried out by a new company whose head office is in Rome. 

Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2022, 11:34:54 AMA new poll shows Sunak is now just 5 point behind Liz - according to The Times.   The poll was carried out by Techne, an Italian data and public affairs company. 😏

Whistling, as they walk past the Cemetery! The Times is like most MSM's a 'Blob' supporting organ. 'Tonto's' game is run, plainly outed for the back street, unctuous multi millionaire Globalist that he is.

Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2022, 02:53:53 PMYes, Times readers views are not important, I don't read the Times as you have to pay for it  :wink: !  I was (apart from contributing to the forum) pointing out that the poll was carried out by a new company whose head office is in Rome. 

I wasn't arguing (promise) but I assumed they asked Times readers or subscribers.

I think it was a random poll of 800 odd Conservative members, the article was in The Express and the Guardian too

After seeing Daily Mail polls, Express polls and Sun polls I think the results of many newspaper polls are probably clos to the editorial line more often than not. Maybe the Times poll is different but most are probably best put to the old traditional use for newsprint (and that's not wrapping fish and chips).

How does an Italian private company get hold of the contact information for 800 odd conservative party members :?: Shouldn't this data be private?

Quote from: Diasi on August 01, 2022, 09:39:10 AMAn interesting concept.

Will your grandchildren, when they can vote, do so on the current events in their life or will they vote for what they think might be best for the generation in a 100 year's time?

I expect they'll look after their own interests like most of us, although they might embrace socialism before they start earning a living!

Quote from: Ashy on August 02, 2022, 10:34:04 PMHow does an Italian private company get hold of the contact information for 800 odd conservative party members :?: Shouldn't this data be private?

Somebody paid to have it done, I wonder who ? :cool:

A Yougov poll now places Miss Trust agead of Suki by some 30% although of course they only have their respondents' word for it that they are party members or not.

I can't see how anybody can consider that Sunak can be in any way credible. He starts his campaign declaring that any tax cut is impossible and just La La Land economics then U turns to being able to offer a 20% cut in income tax. I presume he is also now saying he will knock the NI and corporation tax increases which he imposed as chancellor on the head too but haven't really been following this stuff as little of it will happen anuway. Neither have addressed migration (legal and illegal) or energy prices or the continuation of HS2 and Net Zero costs in any meaningful way nor offered any clue as how they intend to repair the NHS which is beyond broken. There will be an election in a couple of years or less and I can't see how either can turn things around an win it.

My understanding his "offer" of tax cuts was over a period starting a long time in the future. i.e. never. I'm hoping Mis Trust appoints a tax cutting chancellor.

I do not believe many members trust Rishi, and most believe he was planning the removal of Boris for some time. Party gate I feel he was the biggest contributor of information,

Quote from: Ashy on August 03, 2022, 08:16:18 PMA Yougov poll now places Miss Trust agead of Suki by some 30% although of course they only have their respondents' word for it that they are party members or not.

That figure is more or less the same as the latest poll of the panel of Conservative Home who are all Party members.

The trouble with Conservative Home polls is that the panel is picked. Come to that all poll results come from a picked by somebody demographic and all can be manipulated to say whatever those commisioning the poll wants.

Those numbers may be correct or may be biased one way or another. We have no way of judging.

"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes." J. Stalin

Quote from: klondike on August 05, 2022, 08:04:42 AMThe trouble with Conservative Home polls is that the panel is picked. Come to that all poll results come from a picked by somebody demographic and all can be manipulated to say whatever those commisioning the poll wants.

Those numbers may be correct or may be biased one way or another. We have no way of judging.

"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes." J. Stalin

I've said exactly the same thing & the panel are probably all in London or Oxford or Cambridge.

What I should have mentioned yesterday is that the figures given by Conservative Home are, allegedly, from a panel of the 11% of undecided Party members so the 30% is 30% of 11%.

I take little notice of polls..  
If you ask people in Reigate who is the best hairdresser they will say Antonio..
 If you ask people in Redhill they will say Billy
and Crawley will vote for  Mo's  

It all depends on the area and the people you choose to ask..

Quote from: Scrumpy on August 05, 2022, 08:40:09 AMI take little notice of polls.. 
If you ask people in Reigate who is the best hairdresser they will say Antonio..
 If you ask people in Redhill they will say Billy
and Crawley will vote for  Mo's 

It all depends on the area and the people you choose to ask..

Probably both would make better PM's too? :wink:

Mo of Crawley wouldn't.. He is of foreign blood..  :grin: :grin:
 

Not another Mohammed ?   :shocked:  :shocked:

Most common name in the world if you include spelling variants.
https://forebears.io/earth/forenames

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I've had an email from CCHQ to confirm that my vote, which I submitted electronically within a few minutes of receiving my ballot papers, has been recorded.

CCHQ will now know for certain that members are voting without watching the hustings.

There were some recent mischievous MSM reports that members could change their original votes & vote more than once & that the mpst recent vote is the one that would be accepted.

I can confirm that these reports were purely malicious & CCHQ confirmed that to vote twice would be an offence & any offending members would also be expelled from the party.

I've been invited to attend a Zoom meeting with Liz Truss's campaign team this Wednesday evening so I might just have a look.

TBH I'm not overly concerned how often Conservative Party members vote as neither candidate seems to me to be worth a tinker's fart.

I thought that the original idea was a postal vote plus the ability to change their mind. A very appropriate idea imo considering the number of U turns over the last couple of years.

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