Civil servants at the Home Office are threatening strike action over the Rwanda policy.  They're there to help implement Government policy, whether they agree with it or not.       
Surely if they refuse, they're in breach of their employment contract and could be sacked  ?

That's what should happen to them, so sick of workers moaning, complaining and striking.

They should be sacked. I'll guarantee they won't be though.

absolutely agree on both counts

Me too!

Quote from: Alex on May 31, 2023, 05:02:18 PMCivil servants at the Home Office are threatening strike action over the Rwanda policy.  They're there to help implement Government policy, whether they agree with it or not.       
Surely if they refuse, they're in breach of their employment contract and could be sacked  ?

I very much doubt it, because in practice those civil servants are, in fact, the people who are actually governing this country in the absence of any competent politicians.

Quote from: JBR on May 31, 2023, 10:12:28 PMI very much doubt it, because in practice those civil servants are, in fact, the people who are actually governing this country in the absence of any competent politicians.

Lol. The most incompetent people in the country are the top civil servants, who leave university, normally with shit-useless degrees such as Egyptian Studies (yes, I did work with a woman with that degree) & get fast-tracked to the top because, like she was, they're too dim-witted to be trusted with the main jobs, that actually matter to people, lower down the ladder.

We'd have been out of the EU by 2018 on our own terms had it not been for the self-serving civil servants at the top.

And I include the totally corrupt Supreme Court in that category.

Quote from: Diasi on May 31, 2023, 10:20:37 PMLol. The most incompetent people in the country are the top civil servants, who leave university, normally with shit-useless degrees such as Egyptian Studies (yes, I did work with a woman with that degree) & get fast-tracked to the top because, like she was, they're too dim-witted to be trusted with the main jobs, that actually matter to people, lower down the ladder.

We'd have been out of the EU by 2018 on our own terms had it not been for the self-serving civil servants at the top.

And I include the totally corrupt Supreme Court in that category.

Did I suggest that the civil servants are competent?  😮
Incompetence doesn't, unfortunately, preclude them from making decisions in governing the country.
The inept decisions they do make are what has got us in this mess right now!

The sad fact is that today we have no-one in any real control of the country who is capable of running the country.  How have we managed to sink so low, when we were the most powerful country in the world a hundred years ago?

Things were pretty grim 50 years ago. Similar to now in fact. Just needs a long bin mens strike and we'll all be digging our Beatles jackets out from the back of the wardrobe.

Quote from: Alex on May 31, 2023, 05:02:18 PMCivil servants at the Home Office are threatening strike action over the Rwanda policy.  They're there to help implement Government policy, whether they agree with it or not.       
Surely if they refuse, they're in breach of their employment contract and could be sacked  ?

Amazing isn't it, I'm told that many work from 'home' now and then want to tell their bosses how to run things as well. If it doesn't suit your opinions then you go on strike. Who is actually running the UK these days?

nobody     

Quote from: klondike on May 31, 2023, 10:46:37 PMThings were pretty grim 50 years ago. Similar to now in fact. Just needs a long bin mens strike and we'll all be digging our Beatles jackets out from the back of the wardrobe.

They were. But there were differences.  Benefits were, for most people, a last resort, but there was affordable housing.  There were far fewer single person households and single parent families. And whilst I'm glad society in general was becoming more tolerant, its gone too far IMO. Now loud minorities confuse tolerance with approbation.

Don't we miss Vic Feather and Len Murray?

The minimum wage has become a maximum wage for many occupations and it is insufficient to live on for a family. Even the Universal Credit top ups make complete inactivity look more attractive to many especially as that opens up opportunities for cash in hand working or plain criminality. I think they said on Farage that there are 5 million or more of working age who are not disabled but simply don't work. The low wages leave many vacancies unfilled. The government answer seems to be to let in those prepared to live several to a room to fill those vacancies.

When a minimum wage was first proposed at a Labour Party conference, it was rejected for that very reason, that it would become the unskilled wage. I think that was 1945 or within a few years thereof.