https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1789668/Brandon-Lewis-Policy-Exchange-migrants-report
Only if I lived in 10 Rillington Place.
I'm tempted to answer his call with a fuck off email.
In capital letters.
Makes sense to me. Let those waving the migrants welcome banners house them. Let me add that my banner would not be saying migrants welcome. I'd scrap the rules banning housing them in detention camps.
Ummm! NO. :nooo:
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 11, 2023, 02:50:49 PMOnly if I lived in 10 Rillington Place.
👍 😱
Is this Lewis creature a complete raving idiot? Does he really think that sensible British people would want more of the invaders turning our cities into no-go areas?
Plenty welcome them...
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The question really is would they welcome them into their homes?
Most of that lot live with Mummy and Daddy..
It is true that all of these immigrants and asylum seekers are humans, trying to find a better and safer life for themselves and their loved ones.
The point that seems to be overlooked is that so are we!!
:upvote: :upvote: :upvote:
To be expected another complete Remoniac nutter. He's a goner next time , but will wind up with a fat cat sinecure somewhere.
Quote from: Scrumpy on July 11, 2023, 04:09:34 PMMost of that lot live with Mummy and Daddy..
Yes. They live in their own little world. Everything they need provided and absolutely no experience of having to provide for themselves.
They probably think that money - and houses - grow on trees, and so can see no problem in admitting and providing for an unending army of invaders.
Listening to Richard Tice on GB news last night, and he claimed that under international law the UK is well within its rights to pick up the boat people and return them to France.
Is this right? Is it as simple as that?
I do hope so, but if that is the case, surely even our useless lot would already be doing it?
Suppose they're scared of upsetting the French, even though it may well actually help them.
Yes, in the medium term France would benefit if fewer chancers tried to make it through that country.
I'm pretty sure our politicians have gone to Micron and just said "Can you make it look as if you are doing something?"
They've made an agreement with someone to take 20 million migrants.
The annual cost of the illegal immigrants, at £4,000 per month for each one, would pay for several brand new hospitals, with money left over.
Perhaps we should get the Germans to build some shower blocks in the reception centre at Dover?
Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2023, 09:35:22 AMPerhaps we should get the Germans to build some shower blocks in the reception centre at Dover?
:upvote: :grin:
A trebuchet would be better. We'd even throw in a free single use parachute.
Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2023, 09:35:22 AMPerhaps we should get the Germans to build some shower blocks in the reception centre at Dover?
Excellent idea. 'Shower blocks' for the invaders.
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 12, 2023, 05:15:32 AMListening to Richard Tice on GB news last night, and he claimed that under international law the UK is well within its rights to pick up the boat people and return them to France.
Is this right? Is it as simple as that?
It is a formative and long established obligation for the UK under international and maritime law to render assistance to persons in distress at sea. Article 98 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982 (LOSC) mandates that every member state require its ships "to render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost".
Foreign vessels have a right of innocent passage in a state's territorial sea
(up to 12 miles from shore) under article 17 LOSC
(above). If passage is not innocent, such as when domestic immigration laws are breached, States can take necessary steps to prevent passage. For seaworthy vessels, this is generally unproblematic. It may be that the UK government expects to rely on some
'closer' iteration of this principle?
But if a vessel determines and justifies that it is in distress, it can enter the state's territorial sea, according to an exception in article 18
LOSC. The duty to render assistance is also still applicable, even where the state believes that migration offences have been committed by those in peril!
France says that a turnback policy would negatively impact its cooperation with the UK. There are no international waters in the Dover Strait, the narrowest part of the Channel, which is divided between the UK and France's territorial waters. France simply may not permit the UK into their territorial waters to 'return' unwanted immigrants? In these circumstances how could they actually physically be returned, with France refusing us entry into its seaways and the Refugees (claiming loss at sea) would under our obligations to LOSC legislation
(see para 1 above) have valid justification to insist upon our protection.
However, what is not clear is to why we accept transfers from French Border Control boats? We could simply refuse to co-operate? This would result in our closest neighbour having to take them back home, or enter our waters illegally to release towed boats etc. Then a scenario appears where the French border control boats won't pick up dirigible occupants in their waters and in high seas the occupants drown. Imagine Wokerati International having those pictures to play with?
Also remember that no-one enforces International Law. It is expected that 'members of the club' will wear their ties at all times. In other words no invigilation should be necessary between Gentlemen. Anyway who would be the bailiffs and the police invigilating judgements? Thus France and Germany in particular ignore thousands of ECHR judgements every year.
Its an enigma to both comprehend and certainly to invigilate - It just won't happen.
Thank you for that clarification Cassandra. As you know, the UK seems to be handing out French brethren sums of cash to decrease flow. The perception is that some of this is being spent buying footpumps for the Gendarmes to use, helping those inflatables get going more speedily!
One can't but wonder if pushing the point and bringing to the fore the concept of quid pro quo. Maybe that's what Tice's game plan is.
The thing is Tice won't actually need to produce a working plan. He only has to produce one that his many supporters believe will have a chance of working. The same is true for all opposition politicians.
Those plans only come up against cold hard reality when their proponents achieve office. Now I will vote Reform but I don't for one second expect them to become the government.
The thing to remember is that UKIP achieved its aims without even becoming the official opposition. If Reform can make the others think they will be losing seats because of Reform's involvement rather than just to Reform that may influence the policies of those with a chance of achieving power.
Well it's a hope at least.
I too will vote Reform, on the basis that it can't be any worse than what else will be on offer.
If all boats are turned back to France, or even better not allowed to leave, eventually the illegals will give up traipsing right through France to get to Calais. ? Word would filter through it's a futile journey to make....... e v e n t u a l l y :cool:
I can't find the flying pigs gif !
The UK owns over 6,000 islands scattered all over the place. If we were serious (which neither the Gov't, nor present opposition is) we could create a facility for say 3,000 illegals as a retention model somewhere. Sure its going to cost, but over time would be a cheaper more efficient overall way of deterring these unwanted people,
Also for the UK's creative accounting Hedge funder of a Premier, its construction costs could be incorporated into the Country's balance sheet as an asset, to borrow upon!
There are many who would welcome living 000's of miles from others to staff these centres. Mind you, we would have to ensure WiFi (Satellite link) and hair salons etc. and a nursery block for offspring.
Quite a deterrent too, which is exactly why as a concept it will never be more than that. Tories, Labour Lib-dems and Salad (Green) want borderless immigration, its the Globalist way.
A facility for 3,000 sounds good but we have nearly 60,000 in residence at the moment. Part of the problem is that they are waiting years to have their claims considered. The government should tackle the problem from that end too. Maybe recruit some doctors' receptionists to do the job.
Quote from: Alex on July 12, 2023, 11:46:40 AMIf all boats are turned back to France, or even better not allowed to leave, eventually the illegals will give up traipsing right through France to get to Calais. ? Word would filter through it's a futile journey to make....... e v e n t u a l l y :cool:
I can't find the flying pigs gif !
No as I reasoned it can't/won't happen and we all know that at the bottom of our hearts!
The Falklands is quite a prosperous British outpost. Am sure it could accommodate a fair few thousand.
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 12, 2023, 12:29:28 PMThe Falklands is quite a prosperous British outpost. Am sure it could accommodate a fair few thousand.
I'm sure they would be delighted. NOT. [1160]
Quote from: Ashy on July 12, 2023, 12:22:49 PMA facility for 3,000 sounds good but we have nearly 60,000 in residence at the moment. Part of the problem is that they are waiting years to have their claims considered. The government should tackle the problem from that end too. Maybe recruit some doctors' receptionists to do the job.
I did mention 'model' the threat is in the inference of the concept and seeing it being built etc etc. The 60,000 are in the UK now and many Jihadi's doubtless within that number. The gutless Gov will simply hand them permission to stay - they are here forever and all the 000's more ordering their sea sickness tablets now. For them and us its game over, they won!
Labour will abandon all controls on 2025 and the UK will then soon pass 80 million cirizens, with 100 million by 2035.
Quote from: Raven on July 12, 2023, 12:31:22 PMI'm sure they would be delighted. NOT. [1160]
Population of under 4000 in an area about half the size of Wales. Plenty of room.
Quote from: Raven on July 12, 2023, 12:31:22 PMI'm sure they would be delighted. NOT. [1160]
What about Westray, trouble is wherever they go peoples lives are emasculated and sociality destruction manifests as most make no effort and indeed reject 'merging' into a foreign religion and culture.
Westray's no good. No hotels with a pool and a spa.
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 12, 2023, 01:06:54 PMWestray's no good. No hotels with a pool and a spa.
If we build them - they will come :tongue:
Has anyone been watching Patrick Christys on GB News? and footage of Stradey Park Hotel?
The residents of Furnace, Llanelli have been camping out, protesting and fighting back at the take over of Stradey Pak Hotel to put in 240 invaders. 95 of the staff in the former hotel have lost their jobs in an area that badly needs tourism and these jobs.
At the moment the security staff are trying to get things ready for the arrivals, but due to the hotel's access being privately owned, the owners have withdrawn their permission to access as it is no longer a hotel. Local residents have set up camp on the land with the owners permission, so the only access to the hotel is a hole in the hedge up a steep bank, there is a large police presence to guard the hedge, nine policemen, what a waste of police time and money.
The community spirit is amazing, total united that they don't want these people in their community, they are scared for their women and children, they don't know who these men are and as many of them are undocumented what crimes they may have committed and their very different attitudes to women.
Food, drinks and bottled water is being donated daily by residents, local shops and businesses, a marque and portaloo have been donated. The locals are well organised and are not going to give in.
Proud to say husband and I have been down there as much as we can supporting them. The people of Furnace are showing the way for the rest of the country to fight back and not be dictated to by a government who is putting communities in danger instead of getting to grips and stopping the boats.
Quote from: Alex on July 12, 2023, 11:46:40 AMI can't find the flying pigs gif !
Fixed that for you. End of the "MORE" smiley set
:pmf:
Am proud of you all. It takes quite something for people to make a stand, and we can only hope that it pays off and creates a template for future successes.
Edit.. am addressing this to Jacqueline, although I'm proud of you too, Klondy, for sorting the flying pig out.👍🤭
Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2023, 01:33:12 PMFixed that for you. End of the "MORE" smiley set
:pmf:
Cheers Klondy, I've never noticed the MORE button [2100]
Quote from: Cassandra on July 12, 2023, 11:05:28 AMIt is a formative and long established obligation for the UK under international and maritime law to render assistance to persons in distress at sea. Article 98 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982 (LOSC) mandates that every member state require its ships "to render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost".
Funny how 'our friends' in France don't make any effort to rescue them.
Just make sure they're safe until they reach our waters.
If I may cite from the (unwritten) bible of immigrants...."For truly I say unto you, render unto me that which is yours, and I shall help myself to the rest."
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 12, 2023, 04:12:43 PMIf I may cite from the (unwritten) bible of immigrants...."For truly I say unto you, render unto me that which is yours, and I shall help myself to the rest."
🤣 🤣 🤣 Brilliant! I'm sure they will.
Quote from: Cassandra on July 12, 2023, 01:26:37 PMIf we build them - they will come :tongue:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
July 12, 2023, 06:03:01 PMQuote from: dextrous63 on July 12, 2023, 04:12:43 PMIf I may cite from the (unwritten) bible of immigrants...."For truly I say unto you, render unto me that which is yours, and I shall help myself to the rest."
:grin: :grin: :grin:
We've got the first of 2,000 illegal immigrants arriving at RAF Scampton next month, unless the courts overturn it.
But of course, as we all know, the courts only overturn the removal of illegal immigrants. :boo:
Is Westminster Hall being used? They could shove a load into there.
They could tow that barge up the Thames and moor it by the palace of Westminster, let them in the house of lords who love them so much have them, there must be loads of room in Lambeth palace too.
Quote from: Diasi on July 12, 2023, 09:26:26 PMWe've got the first of 2,000 illegal immigrants arriving at RAF Scampton next month, unless the courts overturn it.
But of course, as we all know, the courts only overturn the removal of illegal immigrants. :boo:
How far from you Phil ? a good few miles I hope :upvote:
Quote from: Jacqueline on July 12, 2023, 10:36:59 PMThey could tow that barge up the Thames and moor it by the palace of Westminster, let them in the house of lords who love them so much have them, there must be loads of room in Lambeth palace too.
Don't a load of MPs have second homes? Must be plenty of space available.
July 12, 2023, 11:19:39 PMHopefully, soon, someone will perfect cryopreservation. Immigrants could then be put into hibernation somewhere while countries amble along at a very leisurely pace with processing their applications.
We can already do that. Waking them up might be problematic. For them.
Quote from: Alex on July 12, 2023, 10:45:24 PMHow far from you Phil ? a good few miles I hope :upvote:
12 miles so not slap bang on our doorstep but the main issues are that the base was going to become a heritage museum & a new technology base with a £300,000,000 investment plan that would have brought hundreds of jobs to Lincoln & the surrounding towns.
The thought of illegal scum being given priority over the memory of all the airmen who died for this country is an absolute disgrace.
Appalling!
Quote from: Michael Rolls on July 13, 2023, 08:55:01 AMAppalling!
It is, as probably 90% of the bomber crews set off from Lincolnshire RAF bases.
It wasn't called Bomber County for no reason.
Quote from: Diasi on July 13, 2023, 07:47:11 AM12 miles so not slap bang on our doorstep but the main issues are that the base was going to become a heritage museum & a new technology base with a £300,000,000 investment plan that would have brought hundreds of jobs to Lincoln & the surrounding towns.
The thought of illegal scum being given priority over the memory of all the airmen who died for this country is an absolute disgrace.
That's just sickening, and the idiots in government wonder why we hate them so much. :angry:
Quote from: Raven on July 13, 2023, 10:41:13 AMThat's just sickening, and the idiots in government wonder why we hate them so much. :angry:
I agree.
Fortunately, the inept Conservatives can say goodbye to government next year.
Unfortunately, the majority of people seem to think that the only alternative is Labour.
They will get what they deserve.
The sad thing for us, the minority, is that we who will vote for Reform will also reap the whirlwind.
Incompetent 'planning ' from these morons in charge. How I detest this government and I can't defend them over anything. Presumably the people in charge of this at the Home Office, are young lefties and probably of foreign descent. Why should they care about the history of this once great country?
I'm still in a quandry over voting next time. :cry: I was always a Labour Voter before Tony Blair changed everything, then I went to the SNP and now since Nicola left I'm having 2nd thoughts about them. Now way in Hell would I vote Tory, Green or Lib Dem, so I don't know what to do. :worried: Maybe just not vote at all, I really don't want that as I don't think it's right.
Vote for an independent then Raven, I doubt there will be many Reform candidates in Scotland.
Quote from: Diasi on July 13, 2023, 09:31:47 AMIt is, as probably 90% of the bomber crews set off from Lincolnshire RAF bases.
It wasn't called Bomber County for no reason.
Bomber County.. !! Interesting.. Don't tell 'em Pike..!!
Quote from: Alex on July 13, 2023, 11:18:57 AMVote for an independent then Raven, I doubt there will be many Reform candidates in Scotland.
Yes I think your correct, I don't remember seeing that name on any voting paper. I'll have to do some homework this time around I think. :wink:
Quote from: Scrumpy on July 13, 2023, 11:32:56 AMBomber County.. !! Interesting.. Don't tell 'em Pike..!!
It'll eventually be called Bombay County 🤭😳🥹🤬
Quote from: Alex on July 13, 2023, 10:57:50 AMIncompetent 'planning ' from these morons in charge. How I detest this government and I can't defend them over anything. Presumably the people in charge of this at the Home Office, are young lefties and probably of foreign descent. Why should they care about the history of this once great country?
Your right they don't, and our young people are not taught our history either. I remember once when my granddaughter was young, we were talking about Lord Nelson and she hadn't a clue who he was, she knew who Nelson Mandela was though.
Lord Nelson? Isn't that a wrestling hold?😬
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 13, 2023, 12:57:59 PMLord Nelson? Isn't that a wrestling hold?😬
I thought that was a half Nelson :rolleyes:
Quote from: Jacqueline on July 13, 2023, 12:59:11 PMI thought that was a half Nelson :rolleyes:
Oh yeah. Anyway, Lorn Nelson is the name of a pub.
Quote from: Raven on July 13, 2023, 11:45:56 AMYes I think your correct, I don't remember seeing that name on any voting paper. I'll have to do some homework this time around I think. :wink:
Do you remember seeing "The Brexit Party" on any of them?
It's the same party but with an updated name as Brexit is now a done, if hardly completed, deal.
The main man said they were going to stand in every seat, so one can only assume that includes Scotland.
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 13, 2023, 01:11:42 PMOh yeah. Anyway, Lorn Nelson is the name of a pub.
I had a great uncle named Nelson, came from Norfolk, quite common name for men in those parts back then, He wasn't a lord though nothing so posh in my family. I met my husband in The Victory pub named after Nelson's ship.
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 13, 2023, 01:11:42 PMOh yeah. Anyway, Lorn Nelson is the name of a pub.
Isn't that a Scottish sausage ? :smiley:
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 13, 2023, 01:37:53 PMThe main man said they were going to stand in every seat, so one can only assume that includes Scotland.
I'm not so sure about that.
I understood that ALL of the Scots vote for the SNP.
Quote from: JBR on July 13, 2023, 04:29:40 PMI'm not so sure about that.
I understood that ALL of the Scots vote for the SNP.
They used to, I think many of them have seen the light - at last.
Another demonstration of Go woke Go broke. Plus since that the delicate aroma of financial irregularities. Unless something changes they'll be lucky to get half the seats. That assumes that there isn't more dung set atop the current heap of course in which case it could be well less than half. Consider this - even Raven is losing faith in them.
It isn't all that long since I was expecting that the SNP would be propping up a Labour government in return for a fresh referendum. The Tory disaster says that Labour won't need propping up and will benefit from both Tory and SNP gifted seats.
Fasten that seatbelt. We are in for a very rough ride,
Maybe the immigrants and asylum seekers ought to stand, since they seem to know how to get things done👳🏿
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 13, 2023, 06:22:46 PMMaybe the immigrants and asylum seekers ought to stand, since they seem to know how to get things done👳🏿
Give 'em two or three generations...
and once in power they won't need democratic elections.
Quote from: JBR on July 13, 2023, 07:51:10 PMGive 'em two or three generations...
and once in power they won't need democratic elections.
They tend to be more racist and far less woke than us. Ironically, they'd probably slow the illegal boat influx pdq.
The 'Courts' can't overturn it, the legislation is enshrined within 'The Civil Contingencies Act 2004'. I'm sure I've explained this before? Anyway this Blair Bill replaced previous legislation from the last century and advised (we were told) would only to be used in times of National Emergencies, such as Warfare etc? However this lot mis-used it in the 'Covid Lockdowns' profusely.
Briefly it means that legal opposition mounted against a Parliamentary decision, such as The use of Scampton etc, cannot be questioned or delayed by Injunctive issue. It's the nuclear Gov't bomb to ensure local reaction or what used to be called Democracy can't intercede in the provision of physical action by HMG and it's thugs as seen today in Wales.
As you know Sunak is a fair minded hardworking little Scarab and the trouble his bill is in to Stop the Boats, Rwanda etc, with those beastly bishops, lords etc, I'm sure really concerns him? All this upset - just for us, we should be so lucky to have him up there at this time?
So why didn't he utilise this draconian principle to ensure his 'Nationality and Borders Bill' was given similar robust and indisputable carriage? Seems our favourite man, dropped one here?
Everyone knows the Lords will delay it until after Parliament shuts down in a weeks time or so until September. Then we have the season of lies also known as the Political Parties Conference season. So it won't fail properly until mid Octoberish, which is just what they all want! Also it might get forgotten with a bit of luck and some more BBC scandals in the pipeline? Meanwhile in another 70 odd days of hopefully good sailing weather, a further 20,000 happy chappy's can enter the UK 'unvetted'. With no more 'money printing' allowed, where will the burden of a further £4,000,000 a night to keep them all in servitude to the left wing nutters come from?
Answers on a Postcard to 'lets make it 100,000 this year' to 10 Downing Street London SW1A 2AA.
It's worrying.
The somewhat 'posh' city of Chester seems to be awash with black and arab young men, it's a while since I went and I was shocked.
Maybe we should write to the Sun and tell them that we feel violated!
Yes. It's certainly very worrying.
If I'm still here in ten years, I don't know what I'll do.
If Marge is still here in twenty years, I dread to think what she'll be facing.
And to think, that if enough people vote for Reform, serious changes could be made to prevent the forthcoming disaster.
Quote from: JBR on July 13, 2023, 11:07:00 PMAnd to think, that if enough people vote for Reform, serious changes could be made to prevent the forthcoming disaster.
Not trying to be awkward or anything, BUT, if Reform by some miracle became the next Government wouldn't they still have the problem the present one is. I mean The Lords, they seem to enjoy saying NO to almost everything. So what plans Reform had/has would come to a screeching halt.
Quote from: Raven on July 14, 2023, 06:19:35 AMNot trying to be awkward or anything, BUT, if Reform by some miracle became the next Government wouldn't they still have the problem the present one is. I mean The Lords, they seem to enjoy saying NO to almost everything. So what plans Reform had/has would come to a screeching halt.
You are perfectly correct. Our next government is quite likely to be Labour. I think we all know what they will do to further ruin this country.
After a couple of years, people will be complaining about what is happening to the country and what a mess it is in. But whose fault do they think that will be?
Let's be honest, the majority of British people are fools.
Yes, of course the Lords repeatedly oppose anything that the Commons try to do.
However, what some silly people don't realise is that a strong government can then ignore what the Lords ADVISE, and drive through what has been agreed in their own chamber.
A strong government can override what the Lords try to dictate, and the same for the Civil Serpents.
As I've said before, in a democracy, the voters decide and then must take responsibility if another hopelessly inept party takes control. It will be nobody's fault but the voters.
Incidentally, I fully expect the Scots to vote for the SNP yet again! 🙄
Quote from: Raven on July 14, 2023, 06:19:35 AMNot trying to be awkward or anything, BUT, if Reform by some miracle became the next Government wouldn't they still have the problem the present one is. I mean The Lords, they seem to enjoy saying NO to almost everything. So what plans Reform had/has would come to a screeching halt.
The House of Lords can be reformed if there is a political will to do so. It certainly needs it.
Quote from: klondike on July 14, 2023, 08:18:25 AMThe House of Lords can be reformed if there is a political will to do so. It certainly needs it.
Well any Party that implemented the scrapping of the HoL would have the backing of the vast silent majority of the country.
And the muzzling of the Supreme Court by making it a criminal offence for any public officials to interfere in Government policy making.
Having just had a quick read of the HoL's latest meddling in the immigration act, with Welby (who was never elected by the public for anything) bleating on, and some provision or other specifically aimed at helping LBGT immigrants, it seems totally clear that the place needs a proper clear out.
You know what/who annoys me even more than the HOL, it's that high Bishop, can't remember his name. But he can't keep his beak out of politics, he is always going on about the illegals being helped in and given every comfort. Makes me savage, If the now King Charles was told to butt out of politics then so should this man be, he should stick to religion, and mind his own damn business. :angry:
Quote from: Raven on July 14, 2023, 10:11:23 AMYou know what/who annoys me even more than the HOL, it's that high Bishop, can't remember his name. But he can't keep his beak out of politics, he is always going on about the illegals being helped in and given every comfort. Makes me savage, If the now King Charles was told to butt out of politics then so should this man be, he should stick to religion, and mind his own damn business. :angry:
Welby, which is why I mentioned him😉
Quote from: dextrous63 on July 14, 2023, 10:20:32 AMWelby, which is why I mentioned him😉
That's him. Sorry I didn't read all the posts, had Dunc talking to me at the same time, kind of puts one off. :shh:
As fare as I'm concerned, the good Archbishop is a blithering idiot who should stick to his parish!
How do they get in ? Who appoints them ? There are 26 of them for goodness sake. :yell:
I assume they get appointed by the Church Commisioners to be bishops. Some of them get seats in the Lords. Presumably 26 if you looked it up. I expect if there is reform we'll also be getting 26 immams 26 cardinals 26 rabbis etc. etc.
Quote from: klondike on July 14, 2023, 12:58:53 PMI assume they get appointed by the Church Commisioners to be bishops. Some of them get seats in the Lords. Presumably 26 if you looked it up. I expect if there is reform we'll also be getting 26 immams 26 cardinals 26 rabbis etc. etc.
Yes indeed.
The House of Lords, as a governing body in Parliament, stems from the days when the aristocracy, under the King, actually did rule this country.
It is only relatively recently that the ordinary people have been allowed to elect their own representatives to attend Parliament and decide upon the laws of the land.
I believe that the Lords - with much reduced numbers - should be elected by the populace, if they are to take a part in deciding upon how the majority of us live.
This is a democracy, of course... supposedly.
Anyway, back to the topic of the thread.
West Lindsey District Council has won it's Judicial Review application to challenge the decision to use RAF Scampton for illegal immigrant housing.
Fingers crossed that someone wants to show a bit of pride in the UK's history.
Let's hope the next stage gets won too.
Any idea of lead time?
It'll be heard by the High Court initially.
I still get emails from Sir Edward Leigh so I imagine I'll find out.
Touch wood!
Yes fingers crossed :upvote:
I hope so.
If it was just a disused RAF base that was becoming derelict then we could, quite rightly, be called NIMBYs but £thousands of council tax payers' money has been spent in plans & consultations to preserve RAF Scampton's heritage & to take it forward as an important economic asset for Lincoln & surrounding area.
To us it's no different, in principle, from closing the Albert Hall for the foreseeable future & housing some immigrants in it.
Quote from: Diasi on July 15, 2023, 09:11:25 AMI hope so.
If it was just a disused RAF base that was becoming derelict then we could, quite rightly, be called NIMBYs but £thousands of council tax payers' money has been spent in plans & consultations to preserve RAF Scampton's heritage & to take it forward as an important economic asset for Lincoln & surrounding area.
To us it's no different, in principle, from closing the Albert Hall for the foreseeable future & some immigrants in it.
Hear hear.
Lots of room in the Albert Hall. BBC use it for their ruined woke EU flagged proms but can't see that's a problem as that crowd love the immigrants.
There are loads of shipping containers milling about doing nothing in particular. These could surely be used as a basic structure and whole new communities built up on wasteland such as Richmond Park
Quote from: Raven on July 14, 2023, 10:23:59 AMThat's him. Sorry I didn't read all the posts, had Dunc talking to me at the same time, kind of puts one off. :shh:
There's another one at it now, The idiot from York, wants the 'Lord's Prayer' re-drafted. For what purpose, anyway you idiot? At the rate their going they'll be non one in a church anyway soon!
Talk about hand on the pulse!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/07/lords-prayer-our-father-opening-may-be-problematic-archbishop-of-york-stephen-cottrell (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/07/lords-prayer-our-father-opening-may-be-problematic-archbishop-of-york-stephen-cottrell)
another bloody idiot with no sodding respect for our traditions
Our Father
Other genders are available
Who art in heaven,....
Or maybe..
We shall now say the words that Jesus taught us. Please note that these reflect the attitudes of the time....
Personally, I can see the Hail Mary being even more problematic😬😳
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Quote from: dextrous63 on July 15, 2023, 06:00:32 PMOur Father
Other genders are available
Who art in heaven,....
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Hail Mary
Full of Grace.
The lord/lady/neither/both/whatever is with you.
Blessed art thou amongst transgenders
And blessed is the fruit of thine womb, especially as nowhere does it say you had a vagina,
Jesus
Holy Mary
Mother/Father/Thingy of God
Pray for out sinners
Now, and at the hour of our death.
A-men/women/mixed doubles/mixed singles.
Our non-gender supernatural being,
Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name,
Thy kingdom come,
etc.
According to my religious upbringing, the Lord Prayer was taught to us as god's own words. So now the churchmen are questioning their own boss??? god is wrong????
Quote from: Jacqueline on July 16, 2023, 01:12:05 PMAccording to my religious upbringing, the Lord Prayer was taught to us as god's own words. So now the churchmen are questioning their own boss??? god is wrong????
But of course, everyone/everything is wrong in woke eyes. Except for their own thoughts, ways, and wants. :wink: