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God help us! makes you wonder if after his first defeat he and his mates plotted against Liz to get rid of her, she didn't stand a chance. Another globalist banker, the last person to trust is a banker after the last lot who ruined us.
Someone's been doing a lot of plotting that's definite
We should resign ourselves to Prime Minister Sunak.
Quote from: Alex on October 23, 2022, 02:18:05 PMWe should resign ourselves to Prime Minister Sunak.
Well India wants him to become our next PM & they have plenty of cash for the brown envelopes, some of it from the foreign aid we give them.
The Liz Truss 'Trussonomics' doom & gloom forecasts have been deliberately created to cause the chaos.
He is what the powers in the back rooms wanted all along, the tory membership didn't want him and voted for Liz, so they undermined her and now they have a second chance to get the slimy little back stabbing git in place.
I will never accept him as my PM, I just hope if he gets in the Labour party and their mates get a vote of no confidence and force a general election.
If Boris gets in we are finished if he is found guilty of misleading parliament.
Gilts will suffer again etc.
He might even find it impossible to form a cabinet as
many MP's kicked him out last time.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Quote from: Flying Bomb on October 23, 2022, 06:25:12 PMIf Boris gets in we are finished if he is found guilty of misleading parliament.
Gilts will suffer again etc.
He might even find it impossible to form a cabinet as
many MP's kicked him out last time.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
At a recent meeting attended by our MP he told us a lot of the original schemers are now wishing they hadn't.
The Tory Party deputy chairperson, who worked to get rid of Boris, is now working to get him back.
October 23, 2022, 07:44:25 PMQuote from: Jacqueline on October 23, 2022, 05:43:50 PMI will never accept him as my PM, I just hope if he gets in the Labour party and their mates get a vote of no confidence and force a general election.
Yes, a General Election would be a good thing, for two reasons.
Many of the Tory back-stabbing MPs would lose their jobs, & secondly it'll be fun to hear people shout when they realise that Labour hasn't got a clue & things get even worse.
He as GONE
Are we surprised ? now we must hope for a General Election. I never thought I'd be saying that ! :shocked:
If this is correct then the globalists have performed a coup. As they have managed in several other parts of the world. No government appointed by a coup is legitimate, we must resist.
Incidentally it is a year to the day that Sudan's government was deposed in a military coup.
Quote from: Alex on October 23, 2022, 09:23:36 PMAre we surprised ? now we must hope for a General Election. I never thought I'd be saying that ! :shocked:
Assuming Sunak gets in, I never thought I'd be saying I want a Labour Government, even if it is only for the entertainment value.
I'll take Starmer over an Indian any day.
I don't want a labour government but an indian prime minister is just an insult. So I hope the Reform party gets into gear and doesn't disgrace itself.
I'll wait and see what happens. His ethnicity is of far less interest to me than his competency.
They will push ahead with the big government, high tax, net zero, virtually open doors immigration policies we have seen so far that have lead us to to the current state of affairs. Then they'll get booted out and we'll get Starmer who will be worse if that is actually possible.
Just another thought, the huge Pakistani community in this country will not be happy to have an Indian in charge.
That sounds about right.
Labour hoovers up most of the Muslim vote anyway. Or to be more accurate collects them in big mail sacks from the "community leaders" who ensure they are correctly completed with the X in the right place - very handy for those who only read اردو
I just had visions of more upset in the North between muslims and Indians, once the Indians had their man in power. TBH they don't need much of a reason do they ?
Perhaps he's only "superficially" Indian? I'm sure we'll find out soon enough from somebody in the Labour party if that is the case.
'Superficially' :grin: how can you be superficially Indian or superficially Pakistani, or even African ? it's all in the genes lad ! :cool:
I see we now have him as our PM. Wonder how long he'll last.
I don't see how we can be expected to trust a foreigner who has a choice of countries if it all goes wrong. He won't care he'll be off.
He and his wife are both "Permanent US Residents " so he could Bugger off there too !
I think these are facts that we have to take into account. The USA put these things in their constitution.
Quote from: GrannyMac on October 24, 2022, 09:55:01 AMI'll wait and see what happens. His ethnicity is of far less interest to me than his competency.
Just a thought GM, a snake is a snake no matter what colour it is :grin:
True.
Quote from: klondike on October 24, 2022, 02:08:28 PMI see we now have him as our PM. Wonder how long he'll last.
Quote from: klondike on October 24, 2022, 01:59:47 PMPerhaps he's only "superficially" Indian? I'm sure we'll find out soon enough from somebody in the Labour party if that is the case.
I'm only superficially English, stick me in any Chinese chippy & you'd never know the difference.
Anyway, I've resigned from the Conservative Party with immediate effect.
Are you joining Reform Phil ?
Quote from: Alex on October 24, 2022, 01:07:01 PMJust another thought, the huge Pakistani community in this country will not be happy to have an Indian in charge.
And none of the working class voters will want him.
Anyway, we only have to tolerate him as PM until 2024 & he'll be gone.
October 24, 2022, 03:10:33 PMQuote from: Alex on October 24, 2022, 03:07:31 PMAre you joining Reform Phil ?
Yes, I most likely will do.
At least I'll be able to say "well you should have voted for Reform", as the UK slides further down the toilet.
How Liverpool sees Sunak
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/words-should-worry-rishi-sunak-25340806?int_source=nba
Sunak has already announced his advocacy for Central Banking Digital Coupons (CBDCs).
Anyone know what they are ?
Trading stamps
Are they starting them up again? I hope they do. I've got 3½ books I never did cash in and could do with a food mixer.
Quote from: Alex on October 24, 2022, 05:19:43 PMSunak has already announced his advocacy for Central Banking Digital Coupons (CBDCs).
Anyone know what they are ?
It's a system for gaining financial control over the population.
All money is digitised, like a State operated Bitcoin, so it's possible for the State to control how much an individual is allowed to have depending on how they behave.
The Chinese are huge fans of it as it allows their State machine to control what happens to an individual's bank account, so someone who opposes the Government could have their accounts frozen & the State will decide how much of their money they'll be allowed to have, depending on how well they behave.
Mind you they pretty much do that now. If you're skint they decide the benefits and if you aren't they decide the taxes.
Quote from: klondike on October 24, 2022, 07:12:17 PMMind you they pretty much do that now. If you're skint they decide the benefits and if you aren't they decide the taxes.
Yes, but with our current system the Government can't control what you withdraw from your bank account.
Dear Lord, but I guess if you've got £730,000,000 you wouldn't be too bothered.
Here is Breitbart's take on fishy Rishi.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/
It's a long old article and to prove I read it here is the very last paragraph. Worth a read if you enjoy a weepy.
No political party has ever won five elections in a row in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and if the Tories can manage the feat with a man who could not even win over his own party members and has nothing to offer a country hurtling towards an energy crisis and a deep recession but tax rises and spending cuts, it will be nothing short of a miracle.
I had to laugh at Patrick Christy's comment on Sunak "
"Rishi Sunak's maiden speech as PM looked like a hostage video!" he's not wrong either, he looked like a robot and made Theresa May look dynamic :grin:
It's not looking good for the Conservatives in 2024. Lol :grin:
With Sunak as PM they've lost the all Red Wall area seats, all the Muslim area seats, all the Sikh area seats & some Conservative area seats.
Plus, I reckon they'll lose thousands of Party members.
When people were asked what word or phrase first came to mind when they think about the new PM, 'rich' was the most common choice.
Other words included 'liar', 'corrupt', 'slimy' and 'snake'.
More positive suggestions were 'good', 'clever' and 'capable', but negative labels of 'untrustworthy', 'greedy' and 'selfish' featured prominently.
I have been very quiet so far about our new PM, the reason is that I have only just stopped screaming and crying, I don't have much more to say which is unlike me. :yell: :yell: :yell: :yell: :yell: :yell: :yell: :yell: :yell:
Quote from: Diasi on October 25, 2022, 08:59:21 AMWhen people were asked what word or phrase first came to mind when they think about the new PM, 'rich' was the most common choice.
Other words included 'liar', 'corrupt', 'slimy' and 'snake'.
In my view he smiles too much. I think that covers most of those words.
Maybe they just figured in the money lost from lost members which is probably trivial compared to their other donations. They still need to get the vote out though and than means loyal members which must now surely be in short supply having been spat on once again.
To be honest I don't mind the Indians, I know there are thousands and thousands of them here, but they do integrate mostly are hard working and they certainly don't want to blow us up ! However, I do think we should have a white Brit as leader of our majority (up to now) white country. I guess that makes me racist, although I don't feel racist - just Islamophobic which I own up to. :cool: :lipsrsealed: Phobic is a fear after all, even if it is sometimes seen as irrational
Nothing irrational with having concerns about a religion that advocates their youngsters donning suicide vests and blowing up the infidels.
Now certainly not all advocate that. Only a tiny minority do. The problem lies in identifying which group each individual before you falls into.
I picked this up from a news article , the buggers are laughing at us.
"I am extremely happy," Krishna Kumar, an Indian IT worker, told AFP in the capital New Delhi.
"Great Britain is a country which ruled India for more than 300 years - now a person of Indian origin is going to rule UK."
Quote from: Jacqueline on October 25, 2022, 12:59:31 PMI picked this up from a news article , the buggers are laughing at us.
"I am extremely happy," Krishna Kumar, an Indian IT worker, told AFP in the capital New Delhi.
"Great Britain is a country which ruled India for more than 300 years - now a person of Indian origin is going to rule UK."
Not really any answer to that is there. :cry:
Quote from: Jacqueline on October 25, 2022, 12:59:31 PMI picked this up from a news article , the buggers are laughing at us.
"I am extremely happy," Krishna Kumar, an Indian IT worker, told AFP in the capital New Delhi.
"Great Britain is a country which ruled India for more than 300 years - now a person of Indian origin is going to rule UK."
So long as Sunak can give to the UK what we gave to India.
October 25, 2022, 02:10:39 PMQuote from: Alex on October 24, 2022, 07:46:16 PMDear Lord, but I guess if you've got £730,000,000 you wouldn't be too bothered.
Unless the State froze it & allowed you have a 100 quid a week, if you behaved well.
October 25, 2022, 02:13:43 PMQuote from: klondike on October 24, 2022, 09:15:38 PMHere is Breitbart's take on fishy Rishi.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/
It's a long old article and to prove I read it here is the very last paragraph. Worth a read if you enjoy a weepy.
No political party has ever won five elections in a row in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and if the Tories can manage the feat with a man who could not even win over his own party members and has nothing to offer a country hurtling towards an energy crisis and a deep recession but tax rises and spending cuts, it will be nothing short of a miracle.
not even win over his own party members, who many are now & ex-Party members.
I'll wait and see. My OH is keen on the Reform party, he's a fan of Farage, and I have to agree with some of what he says. But we've got what we've got for the forseeable.
Let's give him a chance now.. He might come good..
Quote from: GrannyMac on October 25, 2022, 05:50:30 PMI'll wait and see. My OH is keen on the Reform party, he's a fan of Farage, and I have to agree with some of what he says. But we've got what we've got for the forseeable.
Well, we've got what we've got for the foreseeable two years!
I'd love to see the Reform party given a chance to run the country. In my opinion they are the most able of all that are on offer. Many people won't vote for them simply because they have never been in office, but what else is on offer?
Sunak might, just might, manage to restore the Conservative party to what it was over ten years ago, but that's a big thing to achieve in less than two years. If they continue to fall out amongst themselves and remain a split blue/green/yellow party, I imagine that more and more Tory voters will continue to float across to Reform UK, especially if Nigel Farage gets more involved.
I already have.
There are plenty on the right that won't vote for them because they fear that doing so may let in Starmer and his merry band.
What do they fear Starmer and his merry band will do that is so bad? Well surely you must know that they'll tax entrepreneurs to to point they'll go elsewhere. They'll have open doors immigration. They'll promise the earth yet deliver a broken economy that provides the disadvantaged with less.
What will the Conservatives do. They will offer stability and continuity.
Now the question is just what has over a decade of Conservative government brought us. Do I really need to repeat all that stuff I put in the fears of what Labour would do section?
IMO fear of labour is a busted flush. The bloody Tories have delivered all that stuff already and are promising more of the same.
Time for a radical change. It could be worse but I honestly doubt it would be.
Yes of course I fear the damage that Labour would do to the country, and to me personally.
The problem is that unless the Conservatives should, by some miracle, come up with some convincing reasons why I should vote for them next time, I shall certainly not vote for them.
So, I shall not vote Conservative, and shall certainly not vote Labour.
My choice is to either not vote at all, spoil my ballot paper, or vote for Reform.
As I said there is essentially no difference between them now. A high tax virtually open borders Tory party offers no reason to collect any votes. The great shame is a high tax virtually open borders Labour party will probably hoover up many of those votes.
Quote from: JBR on October 25, 2022, 07:32:54 PMWell, we've got what we've got for the foreseeable two years!
I'd love to see the Reform party given a chance to run the country. In my opinion they are the most able of all that are on offer. Many people won't vote for them simply because they have never been in office, but what else is on offer?
Sunak might, just might, manage to restore the Conservative party to what it was over ten years ago, but that's a big thing to achieve in less than two years. If they continue to fall out amongst themselves and remain a split blue/green/yellow party, I imagine that more and more Tory voters will continue to float across to Reform UK, especially if Nigel Farage gets more involved.
I already have.
On a personal level I've voted Tory not on the basis of what they'll, but on the basis of what Labour could do.
At the time that Labour scrapped the adult dependent allowance part of the State Pension, they were seriously considering scrapping the Pension Credit & making the entire State Pension means-tested, so those of us with a private pension would get a State Pension based on what our private pension was.
Quote from: Diasi on October 26, 2022, 12:46:09 AMOn a personal level I've voted Tory not on the basis of what they'll, but on the basis of what Labour could do.
At the time that Labour scrapped the adult dependent allowance part of the State Pension, they were seriously considering scrapping the Pension Credit & making the entire State Pension means-tested, so those of us with a private pension would get a State Pension based on what our private pension was.
I, too, have a private pension. Certainly not an enormous amount, and I really need my state pension as well especially as I have paid for it by working and paying taxes and N.I. throughout my working life.
This is a typical left-wing attitude of the Labour party. Let the working people work and pay for a private pension and let's reward the non-working people for claiming benefits throughout their life and never having contributed toward the NHS and other benefits.
No, Labour aren't that bad - they're worse!
If Suella plays her cards right, she could bring back a lot of disillusioned Tory voters.
can but hope - they will be needed
Quote from: Alex on October 26, 2022, 03:44:33 PMIf Suella plays her cards right, she could bring back a lot of disillusioned Tory voters.
Not a chance, we left because A: we dislike Sunak & B: because of the way in the Party members were sidelined to get him as PM.
Braverman wouldn't have been voted in as Tory leader by the Party members.
It seems that Reform have picked up several thousand new members over the last few days.
Mrs Braverman has been in that role for several weeks and nothing has been done.
Quote from: Diasi on October 26, 2022, 05:44:07 PMIt seems that Reform have picked up several thousand new members over the last few days.
Unfortunately several million are needed. Still have no fear The Lord (ok Sunak) will provide. Things can only go downhill over the next year or so and the start point is with Labour looking at about a 350 majority.
Quote from: klondike on October 26, 2022, 05:58:49 PMUnfortunately several million are needed. Still have no fear The Lord (ok Sunak) will provide. Things can only go downhill over the next year or so and the start point is with Labour looking at about a 350 majority.
You're absolutely right.
Personally, if Sunak manages to take back the Conservative party from the Liberals and Greenies, there is a chance that they might, just might, regain enough following from voters to give them a chance in 2024.
I think it's a pretty fair bet that they'll have lost most of the 'Red Wall', who are rather anti-non-white!
If they do get in, in 2024, good luck to them. Labour would be a disaster.
On the other hand, if they lose a lot of votes, I'd be happy for them to be picked up by Reform or another of the remaining right-wing parties.
If he is against mining for oil and gas he is a greenie.
Stopped fracking, but has he mentioned nuclear ?
What? No oil wells? No fracking?
If that's really true, I shall definitely not support him
Is he hoping that every other country will supply gas and oil to us cheaply?
Quote from: JBR on October 26, 2022, 10:23:51 PMWhat? No oil wells? No fracking?
If that's really true, I shall definitely not support him
Is he hoping that every other country will supply gas and oil to us cheaply?
Sunak and his Indian wife's family are committed to support the World Economic Forum, who are against fossil fuels and any further expansion of their use. Not because of the Climate Change opprobrium, but because if they control the generation and issue of power and food by influential domination, they can ration the world into overall submittal. His father in laws firm 'Infosys', is a pillar of the globalist WEF. A multi-national giant and the source of his wife's enormous wealth.
Quote from: Cassandra on October 26, 2022, 10:41:37 PMHis father in laws firm 'Infosys', is a pillar of the globalist WEF. A multi-national giant and the source of his wife's enormous wealth.
Aye, & the reason I have to speak to somebody in Bombay when I have a problem with my damn phone.
And a likely explanation for Sunak's meteoric rise from new MP to young PM.
Quote from: Cassandra on October 26, 2022, 10:41:37 PMSunak and his Indian wife's family are committed to support the World Economic Forum, who are against fossil fuels and any further expansion of their use.
Well, that's not going to gain them a lot of following when we begin to suffer from the lack of gas, oil and electricity.
We have accessible reserves of coal, oil and gas, all of which can be used to generate electricity, at least until those promised nuclear power stations should eventually materialise.
as I mentioned in another thread - that's Sunak's first U-turn. He supported the 2019 manifesto which was against fracking. He was for fracking in his campaign against Truss. Now he's against it again. As U-turns go, surely the fastest ever?
Quote from: Ashy on October 26, 2022, 08:09:06 PMIf he is against mining for oil and gas he is a greenie.
He's not only a Greenie, he's a green idiot.
We have plenty of our own oil and gas beneath our feet. Use them.
absolutely - why let the bloody tree huggers try to ruin the rest of us?
I'm not a fan of the Guardian, but I do agree with some of their articles & this is one of them which sums Sunak up to a tee.
And the article is written by one of his kinsmen.
https://yhoo.it/3fi7mQ9
Ouch!
Sunak, whose in-laws' company Infosys has made more than $120m in public sector deals in Britain since he entered government.
That alone deserves investigating :shocked:
Quote from: Alex on October 29, 2022, 01:14:21 PMSunak, whose in-laws' company Infosys has made more than $120m in public sector deals in Britain since he entered government.
That alone deserves investigating :shocked:
That's what I've been hinting at when I posted about his rapid rise from new MP to PM in 7 years!!!
Quote from: Alex on October 24, 2022, 05:19:43 PMSunak has already announced his advocacy for Central Banking Digital Coupons (CBDCs).
Anyone know what they are ?
This confirms what I said in my original reply.
Let us be clear — Reform UK will always oppose such a move.CBDCs shift too much power away from individuals and into the hands of governments and central banks. We have seen in places like Canada — once considered a respectable and democratic member of the free world — how governments can turn off access to money for those they consider a challenge to their authority. We must always be on guard to ensure the state does not grant itself powers which, in the wrong hands, could be gravely misused.
Quote from: Diasi on October 30, 2022, 02:31:41 PMThis confirms what I said in my original reply.
Let us be clear — Reform UK will always oppose such a move.
CBDCs shift too much power away from individuals and into the hands of governments and central banks. We have seen in places like Canada — once considered a respectable and democratic member of the free world — how governments can turn off access to money for those they consider a challenge to their authority. We must always be on guard to ensure the state does not grant itself powers which, in the wrong hands, could be gravely misused.
I believe quite simply, it's now already too late,
Indian Joe will pave the way for a digitally controlled central currency system. (CBDC). It's on the way and will be the forerunner of the cashless society, where social points for overstepping your 'carbon footstep' will result in a penalty, such as not being able to buy a 'Mars' bar, or recharge your shitty little battery car, or worse still a 24 hour Smartphone disconnection. Don't believe me read about it all from the vanguard itself:
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/research/digital-currencies
The New World Order and its Globalist Force is a shadowy power base depending on ignorance and inertia to dominate the geopolitics of countries and control the governments of the world. The ongoing turmoil in World Economies and it's historical structures is now being perpetrated purposely for this agenda. These people see Orwell's '1984' not as a work of fiction but as a 'Procedure Manual'.
In the book 1984 there is an opening connected to a small chute that leads to an incinerator. There are memory holes around the Ministry of Truth where Orwell's main character Winston Smith works. They're used when someone needs to throw away, permanently, something Big Brother / the Party wants to be censored, so it never happened. Sound familiar? thats where all the truth about the lies over Covid Vaccines and the farce of Lockdown are headed.
Quote from: Cassandra on October 30, 2022, 04:54:51 PMI believe quite simply, it's now already too late, Indian Joe will pave the way for a digitally controlled central currency system. (CBDC). It's on the way and will be the forerunner of the cashless society, where social points for overstepping your 'carbon footstep' will result in a penalty, such as not being able to buy a 'Mars' bar, or recharge your shitty little battery car, or worse still a 24 hour Smartphone disconnection. Don't believe me read about it all from the vanguard itself:
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/research/digital-currencies
The New World Order and its Globalist Force is a shadowy power base depending on ignorance and inertia to dominate the geopolitics of countries and control the governments of the world. The ongoing turmoil in World Economies and it's historical structures is now being perpetrated purposely for this agenda. These people see Orwell's '1984' not as a work of fiction but as a 'Procedure Manual'.
In the book 1984 there is an opening connected to a small chute that leads to an incinerator. There are memory holes around the Ministry of Truth where Orwell's main character Winston Smith works. They're used when someone needs to throw away, permanently, something Big Brother / the Party wants to be censored, so it never happened. Sound familiar? thats where all the truth about the lies over Covid Vaccines and the farce of Lockdown are headed.
Thanks for that Cassandra.
When I first posted about CBDC I could imagine readers thinking it was another of Diasi's harebrained conspiracy theories.
Quote from: Diasi on October 30, 2022, 05:50:29 PMThanks for that Cassandra.
When I first posted about CBDC I could imagine readers thinking it was another of Diasi's harebrained conspiracy theories.
I only became aware of all this through you Diasi and
thank you. Indeed, you were far-sighted in this disturbing prophesy. I suppose my background has now allowed me to research in some detail, without bias the entirety of CBDC and what it means - total State control.
You also might remember how I recalled on the other place, my deep sadness when my great friend 'Roger Scruton'
(Sir) passed on nearly three years ago.
He was one of that dying breed now, a 'true' Conservative. I recall how really disturbed he was with the passage of the Globalists. That one of the greatest philosophical minds of modern times was concerned alerted me to their threat and I have 'observed' their emergent progress with increasing alarm. I think Schwab's maybe deliberately erratic performances initially acted to allay my fears, to the tyranny manifest within his creation 'The New World Order'.
Forget Putin, or even China, the WEF and their ancillary attachments are in my opinion the greatest threat to individual freedom in the world. Many will just see this though as a
Cassandra harebrained conspiracy theory!
If the WEF was actually named Fascist International it would make more sense.