Quote from: Mups on Today at 09:48:03 AMThat's just it though.  How could anyone be absolutely sure?

If several men broke into our home and started threatening us,  we are hardly likely to ask whether they mean it or not - especially if they have a weapon of some sort

The law still needs clarification for sure. It isn't clear in the story just where those shot were at the time. As I said originally - I hope for the sake of the farmer that they were not running away. It just says "discovered at the scene" and "found nearby".

I have five guns out here. One long and four pistols, which I bought with the rest of the house contents at auction. In full cognisance of gun laws, I would not hesitate to shoot an intruder and keep the best 2 pistols and ammunition clips in the bedroom with the others being distributed around the property. Over here 'the right to bear arms' is detailed and enshrined within the second amendment. Of course the lefty wets try relentlessly to have it removed. Fortunately to date it's been realised that for many who live in the wilder regions it's necessary for survival - places like New York and Los Angeles!

Dickie was excited he was off to sunny Spain
He packed his budgie smugglers, and a mac in case of rain
He also packed his Brut and a tin of spaggy balls

Popping out to a National Trust this morning.. Rain has stopped..

Quote from: klondike on Yesterday at 11:19:50 PMI own shotguns. I don't think I'd ever actually discharge one at somebody if I wasn't absolutely sure it was them or me.

If you were faced with people breaking into your house .. Hearing them ..
I think your mind would automatically fear the worse..
Every day there are knifings.. killings.. Just  knowing that would make you very nervous..
I don't think I could wait to actually see the colour of their eyes.. and look to see if they were armed.. No way..
The world has become a  'It's Either You or Me' place..
  The thugs have brought this about.. Let them bloody deal with the consequences .. And if they get killed .. so be it..
I don't give a damn about the guy..

my feelings exactly

Quote from: Michael Rolls on Today at 09:44:34 AMhere we go again - I STILL think Tony Martin suffered a miscarriage of justice - and this guy had to defend himself against four scumbags

It was a definite miscarriage of justice & some of the evidence against him, in my opinion, perverted the course of justice.

The prosecution, aided by so-called experts, alleged that Tony Martin deliberately fired as the two burglars were trying to leave his house.

However, the true facts, borne out by numerous local people & close friends, show that his house had only one room with lighting which was his bedroom & the only room he used.

As he came down the stairs in total darkness he would hear the burglars but most certainly could not have seen where they were or what they were doing & wouldn't have known whether he'd hit anyone or not.

Quote from: klondike on Yesterday at 11:19:50 PMTo be fair to the police letting rip with a shotgun at somebody if unjustified is murder if you kill them.  The legal question in the UK is whether appropriate force was used. If he was in fear of his life which may well have been the case then he was justified in shooting them. If they had turned and were running away he wasn't.

I own shotguns. I don't think I'd ever actually discharge one at somebody if I wasn't absolutely sure it was them or me. It would bugger up the carpet and walls for starters....

That's just it though.  How could anyone be absolutely sure?

If several men broke into our home and started threatening us,  we are hardly likely to ask whether they mean it or not - especially if they have a weapon of some sort.

I am inclined to agree with Michael  (above),  this man was entitled to defend himself.

      

Our election was just for the Lincolnshire Police & Crime Commissioner, no council election.

We had a Reform candidate on this occasion so it was the first time I've been able to vote for Reform.

The Conservative candidate was elected, again.