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Scottish independence: Supreme Court to rule on referendum case

Supreme Court judges are to rule on whether the Scottish government has the power to hold another independence referendum.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wants a referendum to be held on 19 October next year.
But the UK government has so far refused to give formal consent for the vote to go ahead.
The court was asked to clarify whether the Scottish Parliament can legislate for a referendum without that consent.
Its decision is due to be delivered at 09:45 on Wednesday, with the result potentially having huge implications for the future of the UK.
Pro-independence rallies will be held in several Scottish towns and cities after the ruling is announced, and Ms Sturgeon is also expected to give her response to the decision.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63716412

IMO it should be granted. It's a Scottish decision and the Scottish electorate voted SNP.

I think if they had asked the English to vote last time they would be independent now.

It will go against Scotland.

I'm sure that was Sturgeons plan. Now that I've got shot of my TV licence I rarely see her so can think about it dispassionately rather than a knee jerk just to get her out of my face.

As as I said above IMO the SNP have easily earned the right to ask the electorate. Cameron panicked last time and upped what was on offer if they stayed in the Union. That may or may not have swung the result but it surely can't be repeated. If they vote out then that is their affair.

November 23, 2022, 10:02:54 AM

Quote from: Raven on November 23, 2022, 09:58:12 AMIt will go against Scotland.

Looks like it did...

Scottish government loses at supreme court as it says Holyrood does not have power to legislate for second independence referendum
Reed says the court has unanimously concluded the proposed bill does relate to reserved matters.

In the absence of any modification of reserved matters, the Scottish parliament does not have the power to legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence.

As I posted on here several months back, I wouldn't be voting in one anyway BECAUSE, a yes vote returns us to the EU, and a no vote keeps us being stamped on by Westminster.

Quote from: klondike on November 23, 2022, 09:28:36 AMIMO it should be granted. It's a Scottish decision and the Scottish electorate voted SNP.

And in return we should kick the totally disproportionate number of MSPs out of Westminster.

certainly the SNP representation in Westminster is grotesquely skewed. It is unfair to just at the number of votes, as the SNP, as far as I am aware, only stood in Scottish constituencies, but what is illuminating is to look at how many votes the parties needed per MP:-
SNP     25,883
Tories  38,264
Lab     50,832

Given their 'also ran' status, the Lib Dem figure of 308,035 per MP is hardly surprising - and illustrates very clearly why they favour proportional representation. They had three times as many votes as the SNP but only a quarter as many MPs, but crude PR would be grossly unfair to the SNP - and Plaid Cymru for that matter 

November 23, 2022, 10:49:12 AM

Quote from: klondike on November 23, 2022, 09:59:36 AMI'm sure that was Sturgeons plan. Now that I've got shot of my TV licence I rarely see her so can think about it dispassionately rather than a knee jerk just to get her out of my face.

As as I said above IMO the SNP have easily earned the right to ask the electorate. Cameron panicked last time and upped what was on offer if they stayed in the Union. That may or may not have swung the result but it surely can't be repeated. If they vote out then that is their affair.

November 23, 2022, 10:02:54 AMLooks like it did...

Scottish government loses at supreme court as it says Holyrood does not have power to legislate for second independence referendum
Reed says the court has unanimously concluded the proposed bill does relate to reserved matters.

In the absence of any modification of reserved matters, the Scottish parliament does not have the power to legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence.

I have never been able to understand why Nicola imagined any other outcome - the reserved matters legislation seems perfectly clear and she and Salmon accepted that last time round.
Mike

The fact is she is a possessed soul with just the one single passion in life. That passion makes her ignore all else. She inhabits an alternate universe.

Unfortunately it also seems to me to turn her into a strident forever in your face one track Harpy who's appearance on any TV program had me instantly reaching for the remote.

November 23, 2022, 11:29:13 AM

Quote from: Michael Rolls on November 23, 2022, 10:38:30 AMcrude PR would be grossly unfair to the SNP

The Scottish parliamentary elections are proportional and it doesn't hamper them there. All PR systems I've heard of are regional so I can't see how they would be unfair to the SNP. Scotland should get a be number of MPs proportional to population and doubtless the SNP would take the lion's share of those. Probably less than they do now in Westminster of course.

Quote from: Ashy on November 23, 2022, 09:34:06 AMI think if they had asked the English to vote last time they would be independent now.

:grin: :grin:

Like most secessionists she is possessed by a complete lack of rationality.

 ̶   When the Tories are kicked out that could be the end of wee Kranky, it seems to me this independence malarkey isn't so much about nationalism, like Brexit was, but more about hatred for the Tories.  :busted:   

Where do I sign up then :wink:

Calm yer jets people. It's Not just Nicola. It she were to leave office today then the next FM to replace her would be just the same. It's what the SNP stand for "Scottish INDEPENDENCE Party"
Also if people were so against it, then the party would not keep being voted in each time.
No matter if you like them or loathe them, they are here to stay.  :scot:  :scot:  :1020:

so why do they want to join the EU? Where's the independence in that?

I blame Mel Gibson.

Quote from: Raven on November 23, 2022, 03:02:34 PMAlso if people were so against it, then the party would not keep being voted in each time.

Against it enough to not vote for it last time around. I think Tory hating figures high. Not sure quite where I got that idea from though  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Michael Rolls on November 23, 2022, 03:08:01 PMso why do they want to join the EU? Where's the independence in that?

Mike, I really can't answer this as I don't know. But I suspect it's something to do with the free trade and the single market.

but Scotland trades far more with the rest of the UK than she does with the EU

Quote from: Michael Rolls on November 23, 2022, 05:11:47 PMbut Scotland trades far more with the rest of the UK than she does with the EU

Please don't ruin the story with facts Michael:rolleyes:

humble apologies  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

Mike, As I keep telling you, I don't have the answers, it's all assumptions on my part. I'm not fussed about it, if it happens then it happens if it doesn't then it doesn't. I refused to get my feathers all ruffled over it.  :smiley:

very wise - sorry - that could be construed as a sarcastic comment - apologies, it was not so meant

I know that.  [2090]