This is how Islamic terrorists should be treated.
The only thing I'd have done differently would be that it wasn't his ear he was eating.
https://tinyurl.com/5ep6ujre
Quote from: Diasi on March 25, 2024, 08:07:04 PMThis is how Islamic terrorists should be treated.
The only thing I'd have done differently would be that it wasn't his ear he was eating.
https://tinyurl.com/5ep6ujre
I'm beginning to like Putin.
If things here become as bad as I think they will, we should hand our country to Putin and let him sort it out.
Quote from: JBR on March 25, 2024, 10:28:41 PMI'm beginning to like Putin.
If things here become as bad as I think they will, we should hand our country to Putin and let him sort it out.
:upvote:
I loved the court appearance scene where the Russians said all the terrorists pleaded guilty, including the unconscious one strapped to a hospital chair. Lol
Since childhood we've been brainwashed to hate/fear Russia. I don't hate or fear them, I save that for China. Putin cares about his country and is a strong leader, something we lack. I don't agree with torturing prisoners and parading them on TV though.
Quote from: Alex on March 26, 2024, 11:01:12 AMSince childhood we've been brainwashed to hate/fear Russia. I don't hate or fear them, I save that for China. Putin cares about his country and is a strong leader, something we lack. I don't agree with torturing prisoners and parading them on TV though.
Neither do I, I don't like Putin though, yes he's a strong leader but I don't like the way people vanish if they disagree with him or stand against him in elections. a very dangerous man IMO.
Terrorist/killers should be shown that they will get no sympathy from the country they have killed in..
Pity we don't do the same.. Terrorist might think twice about killing..
All these slaughterers are ideological psychopaths. The best that could be hoped for under Liberal Dem/Tory UK Law, is sectioning. Hopefully Russia will deploy them to a short life of extreme pain and misery in deepest Siberia. Nowadays with DNA as the final filter of blame, I would like to see the Death Penalty restored, for economy if nothing else.
Quote from: Cassandra on March 26, 2024, 03:41:21 PMAll these slaughterers are ideological psychopaths. The best that could be hoped for under Liberal Dem/Tory UK Law, is sectioning. Hopefully Russia will deploy them to a short life of extreme pain and misery in deepest Siberia. Nowadays with DNA as the final filter of blame, I would like to see the Death Penalty restored, for economy if nothing else.
Hear, hear. My view exactly. :upvote:
I agree ..
Sorry to sound like a cracked record, but I have been harping on about capital punishment for years.
If there is absolutely no doubt of guilt, I think the only punishment should be death by hanging.
A life for a life.
And a further advantage, I am sure that it would deter a lot of serious crime, not only murder.
Quote from: JBR on March 26, 2024, 05:08:54 PMSorry to sound like a cracked record, but I have been harping on about capital punishment for years.
If there is absolutely no doubt of guilt, I think the only punishment should be death by hanging.
A life for a life.
And a further advantage, I am sure that it would deter a lot of serious crime, not only murder.
The problem is that we first have to stop convicting people on circumstantial evidence.
... and stop this plea of mental health problems being accepted far too easily..
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 26, 2024, 05:33:32 PM... and stop this plea of mental health problems being accepted far too easily..
Indeed, the 'Nottingham Three', which would be a good name for those families, are pressing for a USA style second degree murder charge category to be introduced into UK Law.
Also if this killer really didn't know what he was doing then he should never be released & detained in a prison for the criminally insane, which is what Broadmoor & Rampton really are, for the rest of his life.
He can't have it both ways & in few years argue that he's now fit to be released as he does know what he's doing.
Quote from: Diasi on March 26, 2024, 05:27:39 PMThe problem is that we first have to stop convicting people on circumstantial evidence.
I recall that you have a number of convictions listed that you reckon are unsafe. Plus of course one couple who were never even charged.
Quote from: klondike on March 26, 2024, 05:42:50 PMI recall that you have a number of convictions listed that you reckon are unsafe. Plus of course one couple who were never even charged.
Yes, & I tend to concentrate on the cases where the convictions are blatantly unsafe, Jeremy Bamber & Michael Stone being the main two, but all such convictions worry me.
Russell Causley was convicted of his wife's murder despite no body & zero forensic evidence.
He did admit to killing her at a Parole Board hearing but there's a strong thought that he only did it to get parole.
Quote from: Diasi on March 26, 2024, 05:27:39 PMThe problem is that we first have to stop convicting people on circumstantial evidence.
I did say "if there is absolutely no doubt of guilt", and this must be proved.
March 26, 2024, 10:44:20 PMQuote from: Scrumpy on March 26, 2024, 05:33:32 PM... and stop this plea of mental health problems being accepted far too easily..
It sounds like half the young population don't work because of 'mental health problems'! 🤣
The Term 'Beyond Reasonable Doubt, where the Jury (or Judge) must be 75% certain that they have found enough evidence to convict the defendant always applies. Judges in criminal cases often provide instructions to jurors explaining this test and emphasise the immense importance of adhering to it during deliberations. The Beyond Reasonable Doubt test upholds the fundamental principle of "innocent until proven guilty" upon which the criminal justice system is grounded.
Its most unusual for a conviction of murder to apply where a body has not been found. Indeed there has only been 64 such instances in British Justice since 1660.
The Moors murderers Brady and Hindley were charged in 1966 only for the murders of Kilbride, Downey and Evans. Keith Bennet remains have never been found. At least they served life, but of course in 'Hospitals' as Brady was 'declared' to be a psychopath. Brady admitted to the murder of Pauline Reade in 1980 and the Police kept her remains for 30 + years after the killer showed them where to find her? It was very clear despite a headlining campaign long running by the increasingly 'eccentric' Lord Longford upon Hindley's behalf for parole, that they'd never see the outside world again. So probably the effort and cost to try them for another murder, was not seen as 'prudent'.
From what I read of Hindley she was the 'Boss' inside the prison and had a large following... If I remember correctly I think the West killer was one of her 'sidekicks'..
And that evil Letby who killed all those babies has found friends inside..
They are living it up.. Fed , watered.. health checks and never cold..
They can sit chatting to their friends .. about the horrors they inflicted on others..
And woe betide any guard that might say something that they do not like..
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 28, 2024, 08:08:05 AMFrom what I read of Hindley she was the 'Boss' inside the prison and had a large following... If I remember correctly I think the West killer was one of her 'sidekicks'..
And that evil Letby who killed all those babies has found friends inside..
They are living it up.. Fed , watered.. health checks and never cold..
They can sit chatting to their friends .. about the horrors they inflicted on others..
And woe betide any guard that might say something that they do not like..
I fully agree. Prisons used to be a place of punishment: hard physical work, low quality food, six to a cell, physical punishments for bad behaviour, etc.
Career criminals don't give a toss about being sent to prison these days, and they're usually out in no time.
Has it not occurred to those in power that there is an obvious reason for the massive increase in crime these days?
We wouldn't need to pay for more prisons either: the existing ones would be a deterrent and the outcome would be fewer people breaking the law and being sent to prison.