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Title: War in Ukraine
Post by: hugh on August 16, 2022, 09:05:27 PM
Very little now mention on our news channels yet £millions of our taxes are going there. Thankfully you-tube have many news channels which give good coverage. Russia are sending in untrained men to fight who are getting slaughtered. Airfields and  ammunition depot in Crimea now being destroyed along with Russian supply routes. Putin food tester has die of food poisoning was reported.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 16, 2022, 10:03:42 PM
I don't believe that we have any option but to support Ukraine. If Putin gets away with it again other countries will follow. All he is missing is the silly moustache for it to be a repeat of history and ignoring the last thug didn't work out too well.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Michael Rolls on August 17, 2022, 05:45:49 AM
Agreed
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: hugh on August 17, 2022, 06:52:30 AM
Its quite surprising just how many countries are supporting Ukraine. Georgia even have troops on the ground fighting. I feel the war will be over in a matter of months not years. Thousands of the rich are leaving Russia and setting up home else where
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Ashy on August 17, 2022, 08:03:48 AM
The way I see it, if the Ukraine government does not surrender soon, there won't be anything left for them to govern and they will be in exile.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 17, 2022, 08:44:09 AM
You're not following what is happening then Ashy. 

The Russians have been exposed as a paper tiger, albeit with nukes, who are incapable of invading Ukraine. In best part of 6 months into the latest phase they were pushed back from Kiyv inside a week with the complete destruction of the special forces units sent to take the airport and capital. They are making no further progress in the areas they occupied in the east and are starting to suffer military losses in Crimea which they annexed in 2014. 

https://www.quora.com/topic/Russo-Ukrainian-War-2014-present?q=ukraine%20war

Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Ashy on August 17, 2022, 08:51:30 AM
We have different perceptions and sources of information, that is all.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 17, 2022, 08:54:24 AM
I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Alex on August 17, 2022, 01:38:39 PM
I don't understand the reports about a certain nuclear establishment that has been taken over by the Russians. Does this mean the Russians were shelling themselves then ?  :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm: or just badly worded !

 " Russia has taken control of Europe's largest nuclear power station in Ukraine after it was hit by shelling. A fire started at the Zaporizhzhia plant after it was shelled by Russian troops, Ukrainian officials say. The UN's nuclear watchdog said radiation levels and the safety of reactors were not affected."
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 17, 2022, 02:14:48 PM
I don't think the details are actually fully known. The last I read there were still Ukranian civilians (the normal staff) inside the plant keeping it either running or at least safe and it was surrounded by Russian troops. Maybe what you read is saying that the Russians shelled it so the Ukranians did a bunk. Hopefully after shutting it down safely as a bunch of Russian conscripts who can't even be trusted to know which end of a rifle the bullets come out from would  have no clue.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Ashy on August 18, 2022, 02:28:34 PM
This is how I see this conflict going. Ukraine will eventually cede some territory in the east and south (including Crimea) and agree to remain neutral with its neutrality guaranteed by Russia, and it will recognise the independent republics of the Russian Donbass.

If the present regime in Kiev does not concede for any reason, the conflict will continue until a new regime takes over and makes the treaty. This will be argued about by the government in exile but that's how it ends. By then the western allies will be effectively bankrupt and their politicians will be very wealthy.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 18, 2022, 02:33:06 PM
I was wondering where to go for a holiday that I hadn't been before. I settled on Crimea. Seems there are lots of vacancies but nobody is taking bookings. All very odd.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Scrumpy on August 18, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
The heatwave and flash flooding has taken priority over Ukraine.. 
Something else will come along of more interest to the the people and Ukraine will gradually be forgotten..
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 18, 2022, 04:34:06 PM
The war there is at a stalemate so nothing much to report.
That said the Russians do appear to have been very careless at several of their military installations such as arms dumps and airfields in Crimea causing considerable destruction. Being a couple of hundred miles behind the front lines everybody is puzzled. The Russians declared that the airport one was caused by a carelessly discarded cigarette and the others possibly saboteurs. Ukraine has made no official comment. Meanwhile there were traffic jams on the way out with thousands of Russian civilians terrified of more mishaps with smoking materials.

It seems there were some badly constructed bridges across the Dnipro river in Kherson Oblast too. Those are now unpassable leaving about 20,000 Russian troops on the wrong side of the river wondering how Pizza Hut can deliver their orders as they are completely cut off.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: hugh on August 19, 2022, 03:16:36 PM
Quite surprising just how much is going on. Most effort now finding and taking out Russian ammo dumps, Ukraine special forces are going into Russian held towns and killing Russian soldiers undetected. Quite a lot of  Russian soldiers are fighting with Ukrainians forces. The biggest worry Russians are firing missile from the worlds biggest nuclear power station. 
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Alex on August 24, 2022, 08:45:10 PM
After his day trip yesterday, Boris has announced a new 54 million pound package for Ukraine.  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 24, 2022, 09:47:03 PM
Very generous of him. Which of his backers are paying or is it us taxpayers again?
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jacqueline on August 24, 2022, 10:23:14 PM
I am sorry for Ukraine, but losing patience, Boris at the moment is still our prime Minister the money should be spent on us, the government is chucking away money we haven't got. Where is it all going to come from, and how are we going to pay the bill?  

Maybe he could send an army of young men over to help Ukraine, after all we have plenty coming in, would be somewhere to send them and save on hotel bills.  
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: klondike on August 24, 2022, 11:21:39 PM
We have no choice but to provide some support unfortunately but I'm in no way sure that Boris should be bigging himself up by splashing our cash.

Bugger all is being done on the big problems (our own problems) right now so further aid needs to be put on hold until the new PM is in place. All such aid should be coming from the foreign aid budget too. Bloody India is a recipient and they are busy buying up Putin's fossil fuels.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Ashy on August 25, 2022, 07:47:36 AM
I would prefer our government to encourage the Ukraine government to make peace while they still have some of their country left. Sending them an army of Albanian mercenaries to defend a government in exile would be a stupid thing to do.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Scrumpy on August 25, 2022, 09:00:15 AM

54 million !!!    Just think of all the candles/torches/ and matches that could be bought for those of us in this country when the blackout comes.. :boo:
All the hot water bottles and blankets for warmth.. !!
 How we have progressed from WW2...
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Ashy on August 25, 2022, 09:32:48 AM
It's so crazy when a white flag and a pen cost no more than £20 including carriage.