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Title: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: klondike on October 04, 2022, 08:48:00 AM
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/03/cut-gas-use-by-13-to-avoid-blackouts-this-winter-iea-warns-europe/

Cut Gas Use by 13% to Avoid Blackouts This Winter, IEA Warns Europe

Ofgem declared that "there is a possibility of GB entering into a gas supply emergency" this winter and lays out what would happen in the event of this happening i.e., when insufficient gas is available to supply the gas network at any wholesale price. It turns out that Ofgem would seek to reduce demand by telling the largest gas users to switch off their plant. These, it adds, "will likely be large gas-fired power stations". In other words, electricity generation will be sacrificed in order to maintain gas supply to households. The owners of the gas-fired stations will be paid compensation if they are unable to fulfil supply contracts, but that won't help to keep the lights on.

"In other words, electricity generation will be sacrificed in order to maintain gas supply to households."
I'm just wondering. How well does your gas boiler work when the electric is off? Does it have a clockwork pump and Duracell powered control circuitry or something? I don't think mine does. 

Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Scrumpy on October 04, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
That's interesting.. 
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Ashy on October 04, 2022, 09:16:25 AM
Don't panic, I think it means that more solid fuel, that is wood and coal, will be burnt to make electricity, unless it's windy etc.

Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: klondike on October 04, 2022, 09:25:26 AM
I guess we'll know by March whether or not the lights stayed on.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: 1955vintage on October 04, 2022, 03:28:28 PM
Just received a big stock of logs for my wood burner.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Cassandra on October 05, 2022, 01:00:33 AM
They know that Boilers need electricity, for them its a win win. Everything off.

Boris and his wretched green wife have a lot to answer for, as do Blair, Brown, Cameron and Mata May!
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Ashy on October 08, 2022, 03:36:03 PM
How it's going

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Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: GrannyMac on October 08, 2022, 04:06:06 PM
 :grin:
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Michael Rolls on October 09, 2022, 09:04:30 AM
there are now rather more than half a million electric cars on the road (out of 33 million). Not clear if the figure is for 'pure' electric or whether it includes plug-in hybrids, but the newspaper article made the point that 12 months ago there were 5 electric vehicles for every publicly available charging point. Now the figure is 15:1.
Unless there is a dramatic improvement, it looks as though the infrastructure is going to be very hard pressed!
Mike
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2022, 09:06:52 AM
Good joke Ashy ! but I guess it's not really a joke, but a look into the future....  There's no way I could replace my banger with an electric car BUT even if I had the money I don't think I'd want one, is it just another fad ?
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: klondike on October 09, 2022, 09:15:48 AM
Most will be charging them at home as public charging is both expensive and inconvenient but you are spot on that there need to be a lot more to make this viable.

What else will need a big upgrade is the grid capacity and the local cabling. When my son had a charger put in his neighbour's power had to be modified to go back to the street cable as it had been put in by the builders by looping on from my son's house. Guess who pays for that? Not the neighbour. Not my son either.

There is not a cat in hell's chance that this upgrade can me made in the remaining 8 years. Meanwhile the political idiots are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing "I can't hear you I can't hear you. Windmills windmills I can't hear you"

Excuse of the future - sorry boss I can't get in to work today there isn't any wind.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Ashy on October 09, 2022, 11:35:06 AM
I note that the price doesn't come down on windy and sunny days.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: klondike on October 09, 2022, 12:01:54 PM
Worse than that - mine is supposed to be Green Energy yet the price has gone up because gas has. 
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Ashy on October 09, 2022, 12:06:32 PM
I'm afraid that it is all a scam. Run by the club and we ain't members.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Michael Rolls on October 09, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
As I mentioned in my earlier post there are now over half a million electric vehicles in the UK and article I read claimed the number as 570,000, representing 15 vehicles for every publicly accessible charging points. That represents 38,000 charging points.
There are 33,000,000 vehicles on our roads. The sale of petrol and diesel vehicles is to be banned by 2030, and hybrids by 2035. Presumably, at some point in the indeterminate future, it is expected that all vehicles will be electrically powered. Leaving aside the many implications of funding the necessary batteries, including how to depose of them when they expire, what do those numbers imply for the charging infrastructure?
The Telegraph article pointed out that 12 months ago, the ration of vehicles to public charge points was 5:1, and now it is 15:1. The implication was that 15:1 is unsatisfactory, but stick with that number for the moment.
If we ever get to point where all 33 million vehicles are electric, the 15:1 ratio needs 2,200,000 charge points. If we look at 5:1 that means a need of 6,600,000.  Compared to the current level (assuming the article's numbers are correct, the jump from 38,000 to either of those levels is truly staggering.
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Post by: Raven on October 09, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
As I've said all along...I'm Simply not interested in having an electric car....EVER. :sad:
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2022, 12:58:13 PM
OR they may call the whole thing off !   :cool:
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Michael Rolls on October 09, 2022, 01:03:48 PM
too many egos involved, but I wouldn't be surprised at 'modifications to the timetable'
Mike
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Post by: Jacqueline on October 09, 2022, 01:51:34 PM
How the heck can we replace all the petrol and deisel car's in less than 8 years? and where would the electric needed come from if we all changed to electric overnight?  We will all be walking in the dark.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Ashy on October 09, 2022, 02:24:09 PM
The more we think about it, the more we can see that nobody has thought this through. Worse still, they probably think they have.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: klondike on October 09, 2022, 02:58:56 PM
The current bunch will have moved on in 8 years so they don't give a rat's fart about missing the target. What they have forgotten is that the traditional home for failed politicians, the EU, is now out of their reach. 


Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Ashy on October 09, 2022, 03:27:32 PM
But they still have the house of lords and the egg marketing board.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: klondike on October 09, 2022, 03:32:08 PM
Not nearly as lucrative though. Only £300 a day for HoL and you actually have to sign in to get that pittance.
Title: Re: How much thought do they give this stuff?
Post by: Michael Rolls on October 09, 2022, 03:32:50 PM
That is my view - about the current politicians able to blame their successors -as well. There is no way all existing vehicles can possibly be replaced by 2030, but to be fair, that is not what is being said - just no more petrol nor diesel vehicles to be sold after that date. There is no doubt that the sale of electric vehicles is accelerating, but how many will there be on the road by 2030? Currently 570,000 and rising. Interestingly, the RAC estimate is very different to the figure (570,00) quoted in the Telegraph. The RAC reckons currently that there are 462,000 'pure electric' and 384,500 plug-in hybrids - which if correct makes the present situation considerably worse than I promulgated earlier, based on the Telegraph article.
Also, the RAC estimate of public charging points is far lower - at 25,000 - than my equated figure of 38,000 - so again - even worse - that's 30 vehicles per charging point - TWICE the Telegraph figure.
The RAC graph shows that the number of EVs has roughly doubled in the last two years. Even if that rate of acceleration is maintained (which I find hard to believe) by 2030 that would represent some 16 million vehicles - half the size of the present fleet. If the Telegraph article's figure of 5:1 vehicles:chargers, which seemed to be seen as reasonable (the article doesn't actually say that) that will require 3.2 million chargers by 2030, starting from a current figure of 25,000. that represents 400,000 points per year!
Mike