Just heard on the radio that the Church of England has decided the one million pounds they were to give as reparation for the slave trade, has been upped to one billion ! Hope Brian is aware of this :grin:
A report last year estimated that the UK as a whole – we were the biggest slave trading nation apparently - should pay a reparations bill of £18.5 trillion. To put that into context, the estimated annual GDP for the UK for 2023 is about £2.5 trillion and the entire worth of the UK – its land, infrastructure and everything in it was estimated by the Office for National Statistics at £10.7 trillion in 2020. Oops !
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I don't give a rat's fart what the CofE does with its money but would resist as strongly as I could any of mine going that direction. I doubt very much indeed that the forebears of the bulk of us benefitted in the least from slavery. I don't think the slave traders or cotton mill owners here shared their profits around much and certainly the mill owners exploited their workforce.
Whatever the Archprick of Canterbury and his naive minions say is of no interest at all to me.
I have nothing to do with the Church and certainly don't pay them a penny.
The only positive outcome of this latest lunacy is that many members of the CofE will be off to pastures new, taking their money with them. I believe that the CofE is already very rich anyway, so if they want to give away whatever they happen to have is irrelevant to me and to most other people.
As I have mentioned before, I can foresee the CofE dwindling in its support and hence its political strength, and many Christians will be off to the RC or other Christian churches.
What will happen to the Royal Family, though, is anyone's guess. They could conceivably be some of the very few who still subscribe to the CofE.
The next question is, then, who will perform the next coronation? The pope?
Quote from: JBR on March 05, 2024, 11:11:19 AMWhatever the Archprick of Canterbury and his naive minions say is of no interest at all to me.
I have nothing to do with the Church and certainly don't pay them a penny.
The only positive outcome of this latest lunacy is that many members of the CofE will be off to pastures new, taking their money with them. I believe that the CofE is already very rich anyway, so if they want to give away whatever they happen to have is irrelevant to me and to most other people.
As I have mentioned before, I can foresee the CofE dwindling in its support and hence its political strength, and many Christians will be off to the RC or other Christian churches.
What will happen to the Royal Family, though, is anyone's guess. They could conceivably be some of the very few who still subscribe to the CofE.
The next question is, then, who will perform the next coronation? The pope?
As long as it's not the head Mullah :yay:
Quote from: Alex on March 05, 2024, 10:41:38 AMJust heard on the radio that the Church of England has decided the one million pounds they were to give as reparation for the slave trade, has been upped to one billion ! Hope Brian is aware of this :grin:
All this shows is the church has too much money..
All the preaching about being kind and helping one another.. Collection boxes and large donations.. are full to overflowing..
Property laying idle because they have forgotten that it is theirs.
They are always asking for money to repair this , that and the other..
Our vicar lives a lovely house next to the church..
Quote from: Alex on March 05, 2024, 11:29:24 AMThe next question is, then, who will perform the next coronation? The pope?
Maybe the next king will crown himself. It comes to the same thing, and everything else is going self service.
They can't get people through the door as it is !
Looks like the RCs will be getting a rush of converts .
For many years the slave trade (triangular trade) has been a main topic of our A level students. I think money can't make up for the suffering of the slaves and mainly Bristol got very rich at that time.
However, it's a good sign that the UK deals with this sad topic now.
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March 08, 2024, 05:55:09 PMQuote from: JBR on March 05, 2024, 11:11:19 AMThe next question is, then, who will perform the next coronation? The pope?
How about pope-ye the sailor man?
He lives in a caravan😬
Quote from: dextrous63 on March 08, 2024, 05:52:52 PMDelete
March 08, 2024, 05:55:09 PMHow about pope-ye the sailor man?
He lives in a caravan😬
Or the great high mufti of the Londonistan mosque.
😬😬😬
Ironically the descendants of slaves are better off than their ancestors in Africa .
Quote from: muddy on March 09, 2024, 09:02:34 AMIronically the descendants of slaves are better off than their ancestors in Africa .
I'm sure they are.
But why are these do-gooders centering their activities on this country?
How many other countries participated in slave trading, including countries in Africa?
The answer, of course, is that everybody now knows that Broken Britain is the softest nation on earth and, consequently, is the easiest one to criticise especially if you want to make money out of it.
I might sue the government. If it had dealt with the rise of Nazi Germany before things got out of hand, then my father would probably not have grown up with certain irritating characteristics, and I could have become the multimillionaire that I should have been destined to be.
Quote from: ansu on March 08, 2024, 05:02:57 PMFor many years the slave trade (triangular trade) has been a main topic of our A level students. I think money can't make up for the suffering of the slaves and mainly Bristol got very rich at that time.
However, it's a good sign that the UK deals with this sad topic now.
Of course let's not forget that the countries that should pay most of the slave trade compensation are the African countries since it was Africans who rounded up the slaves ready for transportation.
Presumably they got paid for doing so?
Quote from: dextrous63 on March 09, 2024, 06:04:28 PMPresumably they got paid for doing so?
Indeed they did, it was big business between them & the Arabs.
The Portuguese were transporting slaves before the British. They were the initiators of the Trans Atlantic trade.
Quote from: GrannyMac on March 09, 2024, 08:28:16 PMThe Portuguese were transporting slaves before the British. They were the initiators of the Trans Atlantic trade.
Yes, as I said earlier, we seem to be the only nation who comes into criticism by our own people of historic slave trading. Of course, the media does seem to influence our people quite easily.
When you consider the much better life and prospects American descendants of the slaves have compared to those of the descendant Africans who stayed where they were........ironically those who profited from the sale of Africans did not do as well long term as the poor buggers shipped onto the boats.
Not sure why that is my fault.....
Quote from: 1955vintage on March 10, 2024, 10:35:06 AMWhen you consider the much better life and prospects American descendants of the slaves have compared to those of the descendant Africans who stayed where they were........ironically those who profited from the sale of Africans did not do as well long term as the poor buggers shipped onto the boats.
Not sure why that is my fault.....
The same applies even today as the average African was much better off under British Colonial rule than under Mugabe & his ilk.
They should be thanking us profusely rather than complaining.
Quote from: dextrous63 on March 10, 2024, 11:41:40 AMThey should be thanking us profusely rather than complaining.
Oh, they do more than thank us.
They come here in their droves in the hope of 'benefiting' our country.
Ah yes. They have some get up and go in that regard if not any other.