Chris has left many answers to clarify his reasons under the general discussions on pensioners forum .co.uk,
i thought he explained every thing very well ,
how ever its some thing for you to decide,
Quote from: alfred on December 30, 2021, 10:04:03 AM
Chris has left many answers to clarify his reasons under the general discussions on pensioners forum .co.uk,
i thought he explained every thing very well ,
how ever its some thing for you to decide,
Yes he has but the point is that if he'd posted about the site outage problems several weeks ago, none of this would have happened.
He's merely shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Equally i thought mark had done the right thing when it looked as if the old forum might collapse, at any time, as many of us thought, including myself ,
I'm sure he mean well, and was very sincere in carrying out his idea , how ever what he did worked, with a good result ,at least we all now know what's been going on hope fully it will be for the last time ,
So what ever the way, we now have a clear understanding of where we stand, and thanks to mark, a satisfactory ending had worked out well
and were no longer in the dark , as Chris has clarified his actions too,.
Can you post a link to that please Alfred. I had a quick look but didn't see anything new other than he'd got the outage problem sorted out. I wonder if he be used the monitor I set up to check that :smiley:
Sooooo, If we all return to the fold full time will Chris be stopping the approval of posts? Will everyone be able to post as they used to? :hmm:
I think only Scrumpy and myself were subject to moderation. I won't be returning to PF for reasons I have touched on elsewhere Nobody else is impacted at all sfaik.
Quote from: klondike on December 30, 2021, 12:04:13 PM
I think only Scrumpy and myself were subject to moderation. I won't be returning to PF for reasons I have touched on elsewhere Nobody else is impacted at all sfaik.
Well I think he should lift the approval thing, if he want's everyone back. [2080]
Quote from: alfred on December 30, 2021, 10:04:03 AM
Chris has left many answers to clarify his reasons under the general discussions on pensioners forum .co.uk,
i thought he explained every thing very well ,
how ever its some thing for you to decide,
I thought that the crack about next time we notice things wrong somebody should email him was cack...WE DID! only to be fobbed off. [2030]
He should lift it for Scrumpy for sure. I'm past caring.
This will be the second and final time I've abandoned PF because I didn't like the way Chris operated the site and dealt with trouble makers. If he actually used the site himself he would see the problems as they occur. Moderation by complaint only is not good practice nor is failing to notice the site was having multiple daily failures for a month or more despite being told then magically getting it fixed when he finally realised this site had been set up.
Enough of my moaning.
Quote from: klondike on December 30, 2021, 12:15:02 PM
He should lift it for Scrumpy for sure. I'm past caring.
This will be the second and final time I've abandoned PF because I didn't like the way Chris operated the site and dealt with trouble makers. If he actually used the site himself he would see the problems as they occur. Moderation by complaint only is not good practice nor is failing to notice the site was having multiple daily failures for a month or more despite being told then magically getting it fixed when he finally realised this site had been set up.
Enough of my moaning.
Your not moaning, your stating facts. Facts I happen to agree with, :upvote: this is the only forum I've heard of that doesn't have mods or at least the owner popping in every day to take part in a couple of threads and say Hi. :nooo:
Must say, right from my first venture onto this forum I was surprised at just how low key Chris was, but to be fair, most of the it didn't matter. Problem was, he stayed low key when it did matter
Mie
Hello klondike ,
i was referring to his statement, and his answers, which seemed to to me to be covering some of the problems, i too had had occasions at the time like every one else when posting that some thing was wrong, how ever i kept on going and after a while some got through,
Even if PFuk's problems have been sorted out, I still feel uneasy about what I post there & hope that this forum keeps going.
So far as I'm concerned PFuk would still be having problems if klondike hadn't stepped in.
Quote from: Raven on December 30, 2021, 12:19:19 PM
[The PF] is the only forum I've heard of that doesn't have mods or at least the owner popping in every day to take part in a couple of threads and say Hi.
Yes, I have posted over 18,000 times on my own forum. I can't imagine not being on top of things and interacting with members. To let things slide as it appears on the PF seems to suggest a serious lack of control.
I tried to throw an olive branch at Chris to help mend the perceived rift and he has slapped me in the face with it.
I despair of the other forum.
Quote from: Countryman on January 05, 2022, 02:05:04 PM
To let things slide as it appears on the PF seems to suggest a serious lack of control.
I heard that Chris created the forum in memory of his mother. As it mostly looks after itself and he doubtless has plenty to keep himself occupied he virtually never posts. The only time his presence is noticed is on those occasions when there are rucks and then all you see is posts being deleted.
I do look in and read PF still but not avidly yet I do see posts from him now. Pity there was so little before then this board would almost certainly not have appeared and things would have chugged along as they always had. I doubt he would have accepted any offers of technical assistance.
I had mentioned "taking a break" some time ago as I was unhappy with the handling of the dynamic duo which was a reminder to me of the Undercover Pensioner days who had an uncanny knack of stirring things up and several left before I did as fortyone at that time.
The main thing that triggered me to produce this site was the technical neglect of PF. The frequent outages, the full uploads folder, the back level of the forum software which I blamed for the corruption of posts (turned out not to be) and the constant whittling away of functionality. Taken together I truly believed that Chris had given up and would simply let the domain lapse. After all a cost (albeit a small one) and an annoyance with constant complaints from The Deep. No consolation from participation because he doesn't. Why would he keep it running? I still have no answer to that.
Inevitably 'The Market' will judge.
The point of co-tangency where 'Freedom of Expression' passes to insultive is a 'moot point' of course. Sadly on PF.uk.co it seemed extended to a point where any reasonable consideration for decency by the management had become akin to the tenets of 'Dodge City', without Wyatt Earp.
Overall with declining and irritating technical faults abounding if became increasingly repressive for some, myself included to persist. To date, so far as I can see, no opinion has been extended to embrace this with any sympathy to those 'members' affected, which arguably implies inertia.
It's a free service and therefore the man who operates it is unencumbered by empathy or consideration for others.
Making people feel uncomfortable however for merely reacting to your products failings is a path to exclusion I've found.
Remember Gerald Ratner?
Remember Gerald Ratner.. !!
I certainly do Cassandra.. He lost everything when he called the products he was selling 'Tat'... He never recovered from saying that..
He shot himself in both feet never mind one
Quote from: Scrumpy on January 05, 2022, 06:58:32 PM
Remember Gerald Ratner.. !!
I certainly do Cassandra.. He lost everything when he called the products he was selling 'Tat'... He never recovered from saying that..
And it wasn't just 'tat' but it was CHEAP tat!! :grin: :grin:
Quote from: klondike on December 30, 2021, 12:04:13 PM
I think only Scrumpy and myself were subject to moderation. I won't be returning to PF for reasons I have touched on elsewhere Nobody else is impacted at all sfaik.
In comparison to most of you and the length of time of time you have been debating with each and know each other well, I am the new kid on the block.
I prefer being in this Forum instead of bouncing between both I get confused easily , I ignored the two who joined after me I did not believe their boasting IMHO they were just out to offend and insult.
Only thing is I don't notifications of new posts in thread I have posted I have to flick through each thread one by one , I don't know why unless I have not ticked a box somewhere that permits it.
I have no wish to stay in the other Forum
Quote from: klondike on January 05, 2022, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Wandering Walter on January 05, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
I don't get notifications of replies to threads in here for some reason
Not implemented and can't be until I can get emails to work some other way than by piggybacking my gmail account.
Quote from: Wandering Walter on January 05, 2022, 07:59:37 PM
Only thing is I don't notifications of new posts in thread I have posted I have to flick through each thread one by one , I don't know why unless I have not ticked a box somewhere that permits it.
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Chris seems determined to believe that he is being cut to the quick by the existence of this forum, and any attempt to persuade him otherwise promptly results in a locked topic. I still post on both fora, but I have given up trying to get Chris to see sense and now just ignore his postings
Mike
Great thanks Doh don't give me any tea breaks it will take days to retrain me
Quote from: Wandering Walter on January 05, 2022, 08:15:28 PM
Great thanks Doh don't give me any tea breaks it will take days to retrain me
:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:!
Quote from: Scrumpy on January 05, 2022, 06:58:32 PM
Remember Gerald Ratner.. !!
I certainly do Cassandra.. He lost everything when he called the products he was selling 'Tat'... He never recovered from saying that..
I think he actually called his products, "crap"!
How to lose customers and your business. I was looking to see if I could find the exact quote and came upon this. Safe to click as they seem to have stopped begging for now and has some great quotes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner#:~:text=The%20speech,-Although%20widely%20regarded&text=People%20say%2C%20%22How%20can%20you,last%20longer%20than%20the%20earrings%22.
OK OK some spoilers for those hating links...
We also do cut-glass sherry decanters complete with six glasses on a silver-plated tray that your butler can serve you drinks on, all for £4.95. People say, "How can you sell this for such a low price?", I say, "because it's total crap."[6]
He compounded this by going on to remark that one of the sets of earrings was "cheaper than a prawn sandwich from Marks & Spencer's, but I have to say the sandwich will probably last longer than the earrings".
I once contacted Chris because I did not like the way in which certain members were being treated in violation of all the rules. I asked Chris to post a comment reminding everyone of those rules. His response was to state that members were free to report individual postings.
:sad: :sad: :sad:
Hi ME.. My own experience of emailing Chris met a with similarly bland, disinterested responses including those complaining about the constant interruptions-to-service on PF. His putting certain members of PF under restrictions I thought high-handed and spiteful. They were my last straw.
PF has been a great friend over the last few difficult years and it makes me sad to say goodbye to it here.
In his defence, Deep and Scatterbrain are back under control, rarely posting and not flaming.
Quote from: 1955vintage on January 08, 2022, 08:30:11 AM
In his defence, Deep and Scatterbrain are back under control, rarely posting and not flaming.
Along with that well know trouble maker Scrumpy.....
:grin:
Fame at last.. Chris is the first man to shut me up... :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Before "Deep and Scatterbrain" came on the scene there were occasional examples of "ganging up" and castigating members for things they had posted on other threads, sometimes weeks or even months ago. Poor examples of posting practice which would not be allowed on a properly moderated forum.
Quote from: zoony on January 08, 2022, 02:18:33 AM
Hi ME.. My own experience of emailing Chris met a with similarly bland, disinterested responses including those complaining about the constant interruptions-to-service on PF. His putting certain members of PF under restrictions I thought high-handed and spiteful. They were my last straw.
PF has been a great friend over the last few difficult years and it makes me sad to say goodbye to it here.
You, unlike moi, at least got a reply to your email. It all makes me sad. I'll be staying with both for now. I'm grateful that we had a forum member who is IT savvy enough to set up this forum, and genenerous enough with his time to do it. Cheers k.
Quote from: ME on January 08, 2022, 04:16:52 PM
Before "Deep and Scatterbrain" came on the scene there were occasional examples of "ganging up" and castigating members for things they had posted on other threads, sometimes weeks or even months ago. Poor examples of posting practice which would not be allowed on a properly moderated forum.
Big Louis and Snoopy would agree with you there ME :1020:
Quote from: ME on January 08, 2022, 04:16:52 PM
Before "Deep and Scatterbrain" came on the scene there were occasional examples of "ganging up" and castigating members for things they had posted on other threads, sometimes weeks or even months ago. Poor examples of posting practice which would not be allowed on a properly moderated forum.
ganging up.. castigating members for things they have posted on other threads.I think you will find the ganging up only happened when the (said) offender made remarks about the site and its members..
If a person joins a site knowing what the site is for and the people it is meant to attract why be amazed when conversations include Weather.. Gardens and Housework.. :nooo:
Bl and Snoopy would certainly agree with you.. :wink: :wink:
Quote from: GrannyMac on January 08, 2022, 05:53:09 PM
You, unlike moi, at least got a reply to your email. It all makes me sad. I'll be staying with both for now. I'm grateful that we had a forum member who is IT savvy enough to set up this forum, and genenerous enough with his time to do it. Cheers k.
Well said indeed.
Thanks for the thanks everybody. As I've said a few times it's something I enjoy doing. Some sort of masochistic streak I suppose. There has been some swearing at times. Hopefully the email is sorted now as I think I got around the leap up spammer about warning. I've sent mails to gmail yahoo and hotmail and none of them moaned. I do need to look through the T&C of the provider as it is naturally enough running on a free account.