Babies should be allowed into the Commons during debates - as long as they are not disruptive, the Speaker said today. This latest row has come about because Labour MP Stella Creasy has stated that she can't afford childcare. :rolleyes:
As far as I know babies are not allowed into offices or other places of work, so why should the HOC be an exception ?
I have a VERY old fashioned attitude to children, it's always caused a lot of rows especially with my ex DIL. I have always said if your going to have a baby, that's great but you look after it, you don't expect others to give up their way of life so you can dump your baby on them and return to work. :nooo:
AND, yes I did give up my work and looked after my kids myself untill they both went to school and I returned to work and they went into after school groups. :tongue:
Wife went back to work part time ASAP for the simple reason we needed the money hard to pay a mortgage and household bills on one income I worked as much overtime as possible as I did before we had children
As a single Mum I had to go back too work, without my Mum & Dad's help, I don't know how things would have turned out.
When my first grandchild was born I was still working and my DIL thought I should stop and take care of her baby so she could return to work. [1080] There followed an almighty row, where a lot was said but I point blank refused to be her baby sitter. I'd only just got my own life back and the kids out from under my feet. No way was I going to start over while herself swans off back to work. :nooo:
I told her, if you can't afford them you don't have them. :downvote:
I think that's a bit harsh Raven, it's usually easy to compromise with looking after grandkids. I'm too old to start now, but ten years ago I'd have loved to have my grandson a couple of afternoons a week, splitting the days with the other grandma. As it is, childcare costs are unbelievable for my son and DIL and I'm sad I can't help out. And no, they can't afford to give up work.
As I said in my earlier post......I have a VERY old fashioned attitude to children, it's always caused a lot of rows.
It's just the way I am Alex. If I'd never had kids of my own I'd not have been bothered at all, but I did soooooo.
I didn't mind looking after them so they could have a night out or an W/E away just not full time. I had my own life and I was keeping it.
i think its very arrogant to assume, that your MIL will roll over and let you get on with your life after you give birth, and yes i agree with Raven, if they had had the discussion before it was born, ok, but just to assume, is plain stupid [says he brought up by his granny [1070]]
I wouldn't have taken it on full time either, that's what I meant by compromise. Unfortunately as things worked out I had my son when I was 30, he's had his son at 41 so there's no way I could cope looking after a baby at this age, my knees would never handle it :grin: :grin:
seventy-one !!!!!...lol,
i think Raven point was her DIL expected Raven to give up HER job to baby-sit....
At the time I was working part time, Looking after my house, my parents house, 4 Old English Sheepies, and teaching Linedance at night. I was finally free and enjoying (mostly) my life as it was.
Yes we did have the conversation early on, not long after they were married. I remember it well as I'd had the same conversation with my daughter earlier and she agreed with me, she also stuck to it.
Apart from the fact I simply didn't have time to bring up her baby, I simply didn't want to. She assumed (wrongly) that I'd change my mind once I'd seen the baby........I didn't. But I did have a great relationship with the wee one and still have.
No I wouldn't have done that, but maybe I'd have gone part time ? it's all (what's the word ? ) now anyway. :grin:
I just used those ages off the top of my head :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Quote from: crabbyob on December 29, 2021, 12:32:41 PM
seventy-one !!!!!...lol,
i think Raven point was her DIL expected Raven to give up HER job to baby-sit....
Correct. My work was something I enjoyed and it was not too bad pay either.
Quote from: Alex on December 29, 2021, 11:15:19 AM
Babies should be allowed into the Commons during debates - as long as they are not disruptive, the Speaker said today. This latest row has come about because Labour MP Stella Creasy has stated that she can't afford childcare. :rolleyes:
As far as I know babies are not allowed into offices or other places of work, so why should the HOC be an exception ?
Have female MPs & the Speaker not hear about childcare providers?
I'm sure that paid childcare is quite possible to afford on an MP's salary, helped by a bit of careful expenses fiddling.
The idea of a baby in the chamber might possibly raise the standard of debate
Mike
but being serious, I am totally agin it!
Mike
Babies in Parliament !!
Throwing dummies out of prams.. Talking and not making sense... Screaming to get attention... and blowing raspberries..!!!!
We already have them there..
... and the likes of Prescott ... well I'm sure you know what I mean.
Parliament already has a creche.. I assume they want to let new ones in who need feeding by mums..Why not? Given the insensitivities of politicos I doubt they'd notice unless pointed out..
I'd lay odds that many here will have walked past this perfectly natural procedure in public places and just not noticed. If anybody does notice and feels embarassed all they need do is casually look away.
Difference between public places and the working environment
Mike
True enough.
i concur-ish
Quote from: klondike on December 29, 2021, 02:48:24 PM
I'd lay odds that many here will have walked past this perfectly natural procedure in public places and just not noticed. If anybody does notice and feels embarassed all they need do is casually look away.
I don't know about others but I would never have breast fed in public ! Yes it's perfectly natural, but not at the bus stop :grin: and yes most people will walk past, but there's always the odd pervert who doesn't see it as a natural procedure. Not for me.
Quote from: Raven on December 29, 2021, 11:27:16 AM
I have a VERY old fashioned attitude to children, it's always caused a lot of rows especially with my ex DIL. I have always said if your going to have a baby, that's great but you look after it, you don't expect others to give up their way of life so you can dump your baby on them and return to work. :nooo:
AND, yes I did give up my work and looked after my kids myself untill they both went to school and I returned to work and they went into after school groups. :tongue:
My views too Raven. My daughter decided very young that she didn't want children as they didn't fit in with her biker lifestyle, something she has never regretted. MP's and Parliament are not for split loyalties, you can't mix a demanding job like motherhood (at least in the early years) with a super demanding (or should be) job as an MP, these women who want it all make me sick, something enveriably has to give.
Confronted this a few times in my way of life in the past.
I don't believe one should 'impose' one's children on other folk who are attempting to earn a living. It's a distraction and the two just don't go together, especially in the atmosphere of a parliament or a court, both centres, or should be of serious exchange.
Quote from: Alex on December 31, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
I don't know about others but I would never have breast fed in public ! Yes it's perfectly natural, but not at the bus stop :grin:
Indeed, I'd have missed my bus!
I rest my case :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: Diasi on December 31, 2021, 05:47:25 PM
Indeed, I'd have missed my bus!
... missed the bus. !
:grin: :grin: :grin:
and as for being perfectly natural... so is defication, or urinating :nooo: