The odds are pretty high now that Boris will replace Rishi Sunak. Boris needs someone who can deal with the cost of living crisis.
Who do you suggest Hugh ? :hmm:
To be honest Alex I really have no idea, I just hope Boris has.
I expect it will be someone who has a problem saying no.
I expect many of us thought Boris would be replaced but there doesn't seem any movement in that direction. I expect I may be talking rubbish but I feel there is going to be a fresh look on the Conservatives front bench. New faces and fresh idea's are needed. It is very hard to say who will win the general election but a very close call at the moment, and the Libs are not going to take sides again.
Time is drawing ever shorter to replace the leader for the Tories. With the last election in December 2019 the next must come in or before December 2024 but it was more usual for governments to go for 4 year terms before the fixed term act was introduced and that has gone now anyway. A new leader needs at least a year before any election.
More fines will be coming for partygate now the May elections are done followed by the internal partygate enquiry result but I can't help thinking that the momentum has now gone out of that and further revelations won't make things any worse than they currently are.
I think the decider well be the economy and Sunak's mitigation of the cost of living crisis was feeble. Interest rates on the rise to combat inflation will put pressure on mortgagees and government debt repayment alike. Things will only be getting worse. I wonder if we may not be in for an early election rather than later. Hanging on to the bitter end waiting for good news by Major didn't work out too well for the Tories.
klondike we can put party gate fines to bed. Everyone can clearly see Labour controlled London are playing politics.
For the Tories to win the next election, is how they deal withe cost of living and leveling the country up.
The bye elections were not good for Boris but the red wall still behind him so I guess its wait and see.
So basically you agree with my post then?
Don't fully agree with all you have said klondike, but we have both given our views on the future of Boris and the Tory party.
Which bit did you disagree with? Your post looked pretty much the same as mine but obviously using different words to me.
Neither of you has mentioned the illegal immigration problem, particularly the dinghy boys arriving daily - already 1600 + from 2nd to 15th May. Apart from cost of living which seems to be Boris's main problem, many people want this invasion sorted.
Yep. Important and heading for 100k this year. It doesn't get mainstream coverage though but you get reminded of the cost of living every time you go in a shop or the power bill arrives and that needs to no newspaper or coverage.
Quote from: Alex on May 18, 2022, 10:29:42 AM
Neither of you has mentioned the illegal immigration problem, particularly the dinghy boys arriving daily - already 1600 + from 2nd to 15th May. Apart from cost of living which seems to be Boris's main problem, many people want this invasion sorted.
It's costing us a fortune, this money should be spent on hard up British people. I resent every penny spent on these parasites.
Quote from: Jacqueline on May 18, 2022, 09:03:02 PM
It's costing us a fortune, this money should be spent on hard up British people. I resent every penny spent on these parasites.
As do I. 😡😡😡
Changing Boris for a new leader, to late in the day. Rishi doesn't seem to have a clue what to do about the cost of living which I pretty much said in my opening post. At the moment who will win the next general election, very likely to be the Labour party with a tiny majority. Thankfully its the finish of the party gate fines, that's put to bed at last.
The partygate stuff isn't finished as there is still the parliamentary report to come which was suspended during police investigations. Come to that I haven't read anywhere that the police have said their investigations are complete. I do think that the public have grown bored with it though and given that sanctimonious Starmer has been caught out too I doubt it is capable of swaying many votes.
Despite the ever soaring illegal migrant numbers and so far no credible mechanism to curb them I still think the thing that will influence voters most will be the cost of living problems.
As I said before the window of opportunity for the Tories to ditch Johnson is closing. Any new leader needs time to get his feet under the table before the next election. The full 5 year term is up by December 2024 but it will be before then for certain as nobody wants another Christmas election.
Been on the news that party gate fines are finished and Boris not getting a second one. Half a £million the investigation as cost what a waste of money.
You could be right about removing Boris klondike, but he his still quite popular north of UK apart from the inner cities. The question is how long for????
I don't know if they'll keep him or ditch him. All I'm saying is that if they want to ditch him it pretty much has to be in the next 6 months.
My main gripe is that I voted Tory and have ended up with a cross between the LibDems and the Greens. Would Labour have been any better? No, but on current performance there will be no big Tory majority next time.
In my view Boris as done far more good than harm. He put his trust in Rishi who was an hero giving out money here there and every where. But now he doesn't seem to have a clue what to do.
Energy companies should be pushed in investing the extra money into creating far more good jobs. One off wind fall tax should happen if they don't.
I think people will view Labour as more sympathetic and helpful about the cost of living, and may well vote for them on that basis. If Labour do win, then I dread to think about the increase in immigration.
Those who are wanting more immigration should have to take them into their own homes first, see how fast they change their minds then.
Boris is far from perfect but I agree with Hugh that he has done more good than harm, making some very difficult decisions.
I dread to think what would have happened if Labour had been in charge. They are very good at being critical but what are their policies?
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 20, 2022, 08:03:14 AM
I think people will view Labour as more sympathetic and helpful about the cost of living, and may well vote for them on that basis. If Labour do win, then I dread to think about the increase in immigration.
The highest UK inflation on record was under a Labour government & the 2008 bank crash was under a Labour government who were warned about it but took no action.
I'd go for No overall control next time. Labour and SNP with an arrangement form a coalition whereby Scottish Independence is achieved with lots of long term costs to England by way of guarantees etc being the price for their support? Of course a 'one run parliament' as once the SNP departed any coalition would evaporate as the Scots packed up and left.
The Liberals appeal to the Islington/Richmond Greens 35+year old somethings and as our generation fades, so theirs will promise a return to the EU with a full 'woke-on' agenda.
The Greens will promote roller skates, burning peat and land yachts everywhere to cop enough bigots to be a nuisance too.
Rayner and Sturgeon 'Building Back Better' imagine that ... :bandaged:
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Conservatives need to get rid of Boris as soon as possible and get a new leader so they can move on. I expect I am on my own but I fancy Jacob Rees-Mogg.
JRM has a big disadvantage in the current party - he is actually a Conservative as opposed to some sort of woke worshipping neo-liberal. I would like to see him in Number 10, but I doubt he has a snowball in hell's chance
Mike
Quote from: hugh on May 28, 2022, 08:57:27 AMConservatives need to get rid of Boris as soon as possible and get a new leader so they can move on. I expect I am on my own but I fancy Jacob Rees-Mogg.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :yell: He's not right, no way, no how.
Quote from: hugh on May 28, 2022, 08:57:27 AMConservatives need to get rid of Boris as soon as possible and get a new leader so they can move on. I expect I am on my own but I fancy Jacob Rees-Mogg.
My choice too. Intellectually sound and as a strict Catholic I would imagine honest, plus a good practised financier. Appears uncontaminated by Woke to a large extent, dedicated Leaver.
You do not count Raven being anti tory :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: hugh on May 28, 2022, 03:53:37 PMYou do not count Raven being anti tory :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Ohhhhhh, I'm hurt. [1180] [1180] [1180]
JRM and his ilk are resented for their money, the way they speak, and dare I say it, their class. He's very able, but........
Gove is also clever, and comes from a much more 'ordinary' background than Boris, Sunak etc. But he has an image problem too. I just can't see a natural successor to Boris atm. The thought of Starmer and Rayner in charge.. :boo:
Quote from: hugh on May 28, 2022, 03:53:37 PMYou do not count Raven being anti tory :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Surely not!
Mike :?: :?: :?:
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 28, 2022, 04:31:56 PMJRM and his ilk are resented for their money, the way they speak, and dare I say it, their class. He's very able, but........
Gove is also clever, and comes from a much more 'ordinary' background than Boris, Sunak etc. But he has an image problem too. I just can't see a natural successor to Boris atm. The thought of Starmer and Rayner in charge.. :boo:
Gove is an opportunist, allegedly a Machiavellian, capable of every treachery imaginable. His nickname of 'Slime', seems well deserved.
Quote from: Cassandra on May 28, 2022, 04:49:04 PMGove is an opportunist, allegedly a Machiavellian, capable of every treachery imaginable. His nickname of 'Slime', seems well deserved.
Yes, that he is. :angry:
isn't it Gove that we have to thank for May becoming PM?
Mike
Quote from: GrannyMac on May 28, 2022, 04:31:56 PMJRM and his ilk are resented for their money, the way they speak, and dare I say it, their class. He's very able, but........
The thought of Starmer and Rayner in charge.. :boo:
If they had Diane Abbot to help them, they would be ok :rolleyes:
Quote from: Michael Rolls on May 29, 2022, 03:58:04 AMisn't it Gove that we have to thank for May becoming PM?
Mike
Yes. Back stabbing Boris and standing himself lead to Boris withdrawing.
You shouldn't judge folk by appearance but for some reason Gove just looks like a creepy slimeball to me. Of course I'm not sure if he looked that way to me to start with or only after he proved himself to be a creeply slimeball :hmm:
I just do not understand why Rishi not lowering taxes rather than borrowing to give away. In fact Boris and Rishi are more like a Labour party and certainly not Conservative. I will carrying on voting for the Tories only because we have an excellent MP.