British Islamic scholar Anjem Chaudary calls for the abolition of secular democracy and the implementation of Islamic Shariah law in the United Kingdom



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Quote from: Diasi on Yesterday at 07:17:46 PMThanks Cassandra for expanding on this.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that you can use force, including lethal force, if an intruder leads you to believe that they are armed even if they turn out not to be, under the CPS rules of not having to wait to be actually attacked.

It must be quite refreshing to now live in a country where you don't have to stand placidly while an intruder attacks you or risk a life sentence if you protect yourself.

There are many cases of precedence referring to the application of 'Reasonable Force' for example and to answer your question on validity to self defence and pre-emption:

It is not absolutely necessary that the defendant be attacked first. As Lord Griffith said in Beckford v R [1988] AC 130: "A man about to be attacked does not have to wait for his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot; circumstances may justify a pre-emptive strike."

However there has to be a time to 'cease hostilities'. For example belabouring the body of an already unconscious person, thereby inflicting 'unnecessary  force', resulting in further injury than was required.

In the case of Court of Appeal in N. Ireland in Fegan [1972] NI 80, the appeal court established that the possession of a firearm for the purpose of protecting the possessor may be possession for a lawful object, even though the possession was unlawful, being without a licence. (Applicable of course to Tony Martin!)

On these circumstantial occurrences Lord Lane CJ wisely said in another trial:

'There is no question of a person in danger of attack "writing his own immunity" for violent future acts of his. He is not confined for his remedy to calling in the police or boarding up his premises. He may still arm himself for his own protection, if the exigency arises, although in so doing he may commit other offences. That he may be guilty of other offences will avoid the risk of anarchy contemplated by the Reference.'

In other words don't manufacture your own  justifications for murder.

I once defended a retired professional heavy weight boxer. During an attack on him and his wife by two armed muggers in an unlit underpass, he'd already been stabbed by the principal assailant. He hit this man once and this blow resulted in him striking  the wall a foot behind him fracturing is skull and dying from the resultant injuries. Regina argued he'd used excessive force and that he was dead before his head hit the wall. I established that forensic evidence suggested differently and pointed out to the jury that the defendant had not selected a confined unlit pedestrian underpass rather than a padded arena for this assault. Furthermore having already lost a deal of blood, adrenalinic boost had set in and nature had to ensure that the attacker was negated: and he could not be held responsible for the surrounding geometry of the ungodly's choice of attack siting. We won and the case was collapsed by the Crown with a handsome reward of costs. The Beak said privately to Counsels afterwards that the DPP should never have prosecuted. How right.

Whilst of course finding any violence sad, I feel re-assured to legally have a variety of firearms at my disposal in today's world. For example I always keep the two derringers I own in the cars (as do many people out here, whether they admit it or not). Having defended many killers of all criterion in my lifetime and been severely shot myself once, I know which environ I'd now rather live in. Of course I'm an extreme profile  historically, but reading and talking to old friends residing in the heart of London still I'm relieved I no longer live in a City I once treasured.

Quote from: dextrous63 on April 27, 2024, 06:06:34 AMHe has "presence", in the same way that a dog turd has a "presence" on a clean pavement.

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Quote from: GrannyMac on Today at 11:06:24 AMYou nailed it with 'better areas'.  Lots of non white people assimilate and live in majority white neighbourhoods. 

They do.  A consultant of the 'non-white persuasion' lives directly opposite us and, in fact, the wife recently saw her regarding her recent 'condition' and the good lady made every effort in order to obtain a regular prescription on the NHS for a rather expensive medication.
Not because we are neighbours, of course.  In fact, this instance was our first intimation of her profession, despite her and her family living so close to us.

Today at 01:53:03 PM

Quote from: Alex on Today at 12:13:17 PMThe newspapers made him into a thug.  He's not a thug, just a fella who stands up for his beliefs and tries to make Brits open their eyes to what is happening in their country.

This woman is saying the same thing but is more articulate than Tommy, I doubt the media would go after her as they have Tommy.  " Never happen here, not in England"

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786780710008733853

Sorry I messed that up, it was a clip from Emma Rock who says what a lot of people are feeling.

Yes.  I can't believe that so many British people seem to be determined to convert this great nation into a third-world cesspit in this way.  What on earth are they thinking?
I though it was mainly young people who, of course, have suffered from our modern woke education system which seems to want to encourage a distinctly downward change to what was an example to the world.  On the other hand, however, when I see a variety of 'protesters' marching along Whitehall, some of them appear to be older than that.

Quote from: Alex on Today at 12:19:13 PMFrom what I read it's mainly blacks killing blacks, quite often teenagers are the victims.  The rape increase appears to be mainly black on white. 

Around here - in fact Rochdale in particular - it isn't black on white, it is entirely 'Asian' on white.

I'd like to add that I used the word 'Asian' in this instance in order to point out that I strongly disagree with the use of that word, which some 'polite' people use to avoid the word 'Pakistani' or even 'Muslim'.

I find its use offensive when I think about the Indian people, many of whom I know, who are completely above the level of those of Pakistani origin who are the ones who uniquely seem to be the real dusky people in the woodpile when it comes to raping young girls.

In fact, I'd use the (four letter) 'P' word routinely if I thought I could get away with it!  🤣

One for Rishi's speech on the morning after the election....  

This morning which song could be adopted by the Tories. ?

'I never felt more like singing the blues'

Any more ?

From what I read it's mainly blacks killing blacks, quite often teenagers are the victims.  The rape increase appears to be mainly black on white. 

Quote from: JBR on Today at 10:31:17 AMThere do seem to be more murders reported on the news these days, especially in Londonistan, though probably mainly by white criminals.

A hell of a lot of the murders these days are black on black. Plus of course there are those who will kill random strangers in search of paradise and the fabled virgins. Most often blades are used but the drugs traders don't seem to be very well versed in gun law and pretty much ignore it. It's only the law abiding that obey laws and that is doubly so for gun and knife law.

The newspapers made him into a thug.  He's not a thug, just a fella who stands up for his beliefs and tries to make Brits open their eyes to what is happening in their country.

This woman is saying the same thing but is more articulate than Tommy, I doubt the media would go after her as they have Tommy.   " Never happen here, not in England"

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786780710008733853

Sorry I messed that up, it was a clip from Emma Rock who says what a lot of people are feeling.