Quote from: Michael Rolls on Today at 07:34:17 PMI have always decried the idiocy of 'net zero'. Unless we are willing to accept a considerable reduction in our quality of life it just can't happen. My current hybrid - bought under duress because Ford had discontinued what I actually wanted, a petrol 5 door Mondeo - is OK, but I am confident when it comes to change it will, in real terms, get a good bit less for trade-in than of yore, so much so that I am going to keep it for longer than usual (I normally change before the MOT is due) and smile grimly at what I am offered.
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I suppose that one advantage of hybrids is that when the batteries do die a death, at least we'd still have the petrol engine to keep it going.
Yes, the inclusion of batteries and an electric motor can make the cars more 'economical' to drive, but when the batteries do give up, we'd be driving around carrying an unnecessary heavy load and consequently using more petrol.
That's what put me off buying a hybrid, and the place where we bought our car three years ago was pushing them even then.

I have always decried the idiocy of 'net zero'. Unless we are willing to accept a considerable reduction in our quality of life it just can't happen. My current hybrid - bought under duress because Ford had discontinued what I actually wanted, a petrol 5 door Mondeo - is OK, but I am confident when it comes to change it will, in real terms, get a good bit less for trade-in than of yore, so much so that I am going to keep it for longer than usual (I normally change before the MOT is due) and smile grimly at what I am offered.
No idea why that appeared twice!

Quote from: Ashy on Today at 07:19:40 PMTechnically if they are selling more than are being scrapped or exported, then EVs are becoming more popular. just that the initial enthusiasm for the product may have declined.

Not necessarily the case.  One has to consider the growth rate of new drivers in comparison with the rate of purchase of EV's.

But, even having said that, you might still be right.

Quote from: Ashy on Today at 07:19:40 PMTechnically if they are selling more than are being scrapped or exported, then EVs are becoming more popular. just that the initial enthusiasm for the product may have declined.

Well, it's a free country (at least for now).  If people want to buy them, they can do so.  I just hope they think carefully about it first.

Incidentally, as I was walking down to the middle of our 'village' I once again remarked to the wife that I have still never seen anyone, not a single person, using the charging machines in the car park.
I think it is completely logical not to do so, because there are only a few shops here and why would anyone put their car on to charge, which would take quite a long time, when there's no other reason to stay here for that long.

The other thing is that these two machines have effectively taken over the space of four or five parking spaces.  I bet they'll be gone next year!

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Technically if they are selling more than are being scrapped or exported, then EVs are becoming more popular. just that the initial enthusiasm for the product may have declined.

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Quote from: klondike on Yesterday at 10:31:52 AMWhat Rees-Mogg wants is reform of the Tory party. The grass roots are doubtless behind him but the Parliamentary party is now beyond redemption. My hope is for a total wipeout. Let the grass roots see that the brand has sunk lower than Ratners. That way there is an outside chance of either a reformed Tory party or maybe just Reform, Either way expect Socialism for the rest of your days now I fear.

Indeed, I've resigned myself to departing under a Labour government.

Quote from: JBR on Today at 06:12:45 PMTrue.
Despite the ongoing assurances that Reform will never form a government, either now or in years to come, that is how I shall certainly vote.
And damn the consequences!  My conscience is clear.

This is my view as well.

But we will be able to rubbish whatever the next Parliament, government & opposition, does as we didn't vote for it.

True.
Despite the ongoing assurances that Reform will never form a government, either now or in years to come, that is how I shall certainly vote.
And damn the consequences!  My conscience is clear.

Quote from: ansu on Today at 05:02:37 PMIn our today's paper I read that you should thoroughly check whether you want to spend your holiday in Greece, if you are the owner of an electric car. You have to be ready for many surprises.

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Quote from: JBR on Today at 05:56:37 PMYou are perfectly correct, of course, and I am convinced that despite all the enthusiastic messages put out by the government, the majority of British people will not buy them for the reasons you state.  The only encouragement which induces some people (including next door, who have one with a home charger) is the fact that little or no road tax is payable along with other probable 'benefits' which persuade them to participate.  I haven't asked for 'next door's' opinion, but I assume that he only travels and works locally, so an electric milk-float would probably be all he needs.  Wait until he tries to sell it!

Incidentally, I am encouraged to hear that GB News seems to be watched 'over there'.  It is, of course, the only news programme for me, because it is the only one I believe.

I've long said that an EV is little more than a luxurious shopping trolley.

Stripping away all aspects of so-called man-made climate change in a decision to buy an EV, the pool of private drivers who can afford £40,000 upwards for a new EV is quite limited.

And the same pool is very limited for those who can afford to buy a second hand EV & replace the batteries for £10,000 upwards.