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Title: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Alex on March 13, 2022, 04:29:08 PM
Brits are to be offered this sum per month, regardless of how many people they can accommodate.  Maybe 40 years ago I might have considered it, because these are genuine refugees needing temporary help, but not now, I'm too old :cool:   Would you do it  ?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brits-who-welcome-ukrainian-refugees-26454186

Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Scrumpy on March 13, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
I do have the room but...
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: zoony on March 13, 2022, 05:11:26 PM
Yes, and the 'buts' are/can be big ones. Like Alex, perhaps once upon a time but too vulnerable these days.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: klondike on March 13, 2022, 05:15:51 PM
If a house isn't set up for multiple occupancy then what you have are strangers who probably don't speak English as house guests. I don't think I could have that.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 13, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
Nor me
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Raven on March 13, 2022, 06:53:46 PM
This is not just about taking in a family or a couple. This is about taking in traumatised people, for whom English is not necessarily their first language, and whose family and way of living has been ripped away from them.

I feel that more support is required for this type of situation than any regular UK family can possibly give. Nobody is equipped to deal with this in the UK, not when they have their own struggles - mental health, emotional, financial, loss of family etc...Its very noble of the government to put us forward as shelters (because no doubt that is what they are suggesting to the refugees), but I don't think anyone should be made to feel selfish or mean for putting themselves first.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Scrumpy on March 13, 2022, 07:07:32 PM


I would rather open my home up to these desperate people then any of those that come into the country illegally ...
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Jacqueline on March 13, 2022, 11:12:09 PM
Most of us here feel the same, would have done so years ago but we are old and vulnerable now and live as  couples or alone.  Raven is right these poor people have been through/are going through hell and would probably be better off among other Ukranian's not with strangers who don't speak their language.

Our government has managed to find accomodation for all these dingy boys, and they are still coming over illegally.   Frankly I would throw them all out on the streets and give it over to the Ukranians who actually deserve it.  And I bet those Ukranian mothers and children if put in Napier or Penally barracks, instead of wingeing about it and saying its not fit and suitable accomodation. would roll up their sleeves and make a home for themselves and their children.

I am getting more and more angry that we have taken in all these cowardly young men who could have fought for their countries but ran away leaving their women and children behind to get on with it and it seems more difficult for the genuine Ukranian refugees to get here.  It proves to me that there should be no place for the dingy boys in our country they are so different to us.  If I met any would give them white feathers, they should feel ashamed but I'd be surprised if many of them have even seen a war zone at all.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 06:04:29 AM
I wouldn't do it. We're too old. But at least some of the cost of housing extra people in their homes will be covered for those who do volunteer.  I'm hoping to see some politicians who have two homes stepping up.  The Scottish and Welsh first ministers are offering their countries as 'super sponsors' so perhaps they have space?

I wonder if the offers (from those who would take refugees) extend to anyone fleeing Ukraine? There appears to be discrimination towards non white people who are trying to leave.  I met my best friend yesterday, and the thought of me getting prioritised over her (based on how we look) is dreadful.

https://www.vox.com/22962300/ukraine-russia-refugee-racism
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 08:07:50 AM
Such a shame that you've felt the need to seize on the totally false racism element.

The simple reason that I'd accept a Ukrainian over a non-Ukranian is that I consider that the non-Ukranians shouldn't have been in the Ukraine in the first place, just as I don't consider that the dinghy boys should be in the UK.

My home, my choice.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 08:17:58 AM



I wonder if the 350 offered is for a (family).. The cost of keeping a young family warm and fed could be very expensive when you consider the needs of a young family..
The news today said that other people were trying to get into the UK by pretending to be from the Ukraine..
I think the UK, taking their time over allowing people in , is not a bad thing..
We are stupid in allowing the illegal visitors that end up on our shores into our country.. We moan about it on a daily basis and still they come..
In time , we will moan about the problems Ukrainians have bought with them.. It's life..
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 08:24:56 AM
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 08:17:58 AM

I wonder if the 350 offered is for a (family).. The cost of keeping a young family warm and fed could be very expensive when you consider the needs of a young family..
The news today said that other people were trying to get into the UK by pretending to be from the Ukraine..
I think the UK, taking their time over allowing people in , is not a bad thing..
We are stupid in allowing the illegal visitors that end up on our shores into our country.. We moan about it on a daily basis and still they come..
In time , we will moan about the problems Ukrainians have bought with them.. It's life..

I think it's per family for what is, in effect, 81 quid a week

I certainly wouldn't take in an entire family, maybe a woman with one girl.

And I'd want the paying the same amount as the Government pay to house & feed a dinghy boy.

It's something that a high-earning Cheshire family, with a big house, could do quite easily.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 08:32:43 AM



Blimey... What about clothing..!!  Nappies..!!
I couldn't afford to keep a family.. I will leave it to those with bigger properties and wallets.. 
Gary Lineker might pop up again... offering to help..
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 08:32:43 AM

Blimey... What about clothing..!!  Nappies..!!
I couldn't afford to keep a family.. I will leave it to those with bigger properties and wallets.. 
Gary Lineker might pop up again... offering to help..

I'd expect a 16-yr-old girl to be out of nappies. Lol  :grin:
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 10:10:20 AM

:grin: :grin:


It will be interesting to see if any politicians step up , as GrannyMac mentioned, many have two homes with brilliant allowances..
The Labour ones seem to be keeping their heads low at the moment.. [2010]
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Jacqueline on March 14, 2022, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 08:24:56 AM
I think it's per family for what is, in effect, 81 quid a week

I certainly wouldn't take in an entire family, maybe a woman with one girl.

And I'd want the paying the same amount as the Government pay to house & feed a dinghy boy.

It's something that a high-earning Cheshire family, with a big house, could do quite easily.


You are right again Diasi, the government are expecting us to look after these poor people on the cheap for £350 a month whilst they must be spending £350 a week housing dingey boys in hotels. Women and children from a real war zone are being descriminated against in favour of fit young men, its very wrong.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 10:21:16 AM



Heard that some of the wealthy homes left empty by wealthy Russians might be up for grabs..
How ironic is that..!!
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: crabbyob on March 14, 2022, 10:28:01 AM
you asre all woosies...
i have offered to take two 16/17 year old girls, i dont want any money...
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: klondike on March 14, 2022, 11:24:55 AM
I hope they deliver a defibrillator with them.  :grin:

Possibly an instruction manual too?
Not for the defibrillator  :grin:
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 08:07:50 AM
Such a shame that you've felt the need to seize on the totally false racism element.

The simple reason that I'd accept a Ukrainian over a non-Ukranian is that I consider that the non-Ukranians shouldn't have been in the Ukraine in the first place, just as I don't consider that the dinghy boys should be in the UK.

My home, my choice.

Many are students who have paid for the privilege of being there.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: 1955vintage on March 14, 2022, 12:45:00 PM
After the attempts by Belarus to flood the Polish border with Syrians , I am concerned that a large number of refugees claiming to be Ukrainian will come across from Belarus via Ukraine with a Koran in their hand and murder in their heart.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Jacqueline on March 14, 2022, 10:15:11 AM

You are right again Diasi, the government are expecting us to look after these poor people on the cheap for £350 a month whilst they must be spending £350 a week housing dingey boys in hotels. Women and children from a real war zone are being descriminated against in favour of fit young men, its very wrong.

I've seen no expectation that people will take in refugees. Volunteers were stepping up before money was even mentioned.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: crabbyob on March 14, 2022, 10:28:01 AM
you asre all woosies...
i have offered to take two 16/17 year old girls, i dont want any money...

Good luck with that crabbyob!  :grin:
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Flying Bomb on March 14, 2022, 01:18:34 PM
We all know that there are good and bad people the World over.
I don't suppose that Ukrainians are any different from anyone else,
in this respect as much as I feel so sorry for them.

At my age I wouldn't think of taking someone in but if I
did, I would hope that I didn't take in a bad one who would eventually refuse to leave. etc.


That would be a civil matter and only the courts could
eventually give an order to leave.
Even then bailiffs may be required.

Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Alex on March 14, 2022, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: 1955vintage on March 14, 2022, 12:45:00 PM
After the attempts by Belarus to flood the Polish border with Syrians , I am concerned that a large number of refugees claiming to be Ukrainian will come across from Belarus via Ukraine with a Koran in their hand and murder in their heart.

So agree with this comment.   

I read this morning that the south and south east of England has taken only 6% of all refugees, the rest have been sent up north.  But the Government/local authorities are building multi storey blocks of flats on any ex Tesco car park they can find.  Unfortunately, they're not investing in any new schools, hospitals or surgeries to go with the new accommodation.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Alex on March 14, 2022, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 13, 2022, 07:07:32 PM

I would rather open my home up to these desperate people then any of those that come into the country illegally ...

The dinghy boys may not want to share your house Scrumpy, you're not muslim and I don't think they like to share with infidels.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: klondike on March 14, 2022, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: 1955vintage on March 14, 2022, 12:45:00 PM
After the attempts by Belarus to flood the Polish border with Syrians , I am concerned that a large number of refugees claiming to be Ukrainian will come across from Belarus via Ukraine with a Koran in their hand and murder in their heart.
Which is presumably why we are insisting on normal visa procedures being followed and getting a load of stick over that.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Alex on March 14, 2022, 02:05:09 PM
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Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 02:08:05 PM
Quote from: Flying Bomb on March 14, 2022, 01:18:34 PM
We all know that there are good and bad people the World over.
I don't suppose that Ukrainians are any different from anyone else,
in this respect as much as I feel so sorry for them.

At my age I wouldn't think of taking someone in but if I
did, I would hope that I didn't take in a bad one who would eventually refuse to leave. etc.
That would be a civil matter and only the courts could
eventually give an order to leave.
Even then bailiffs may be required.

Not so, their status in the house will be as an excluded occupier, which, in laymen's terms means they have no right of residence so the rules of a tenant eviction don't apply.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 12:42:21 PM
Many are students who have paid for the privilege of being there.

Well I would think that the sensible assumption would be that the student went back to the country from which he came to study in the Ukraine.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 14, 2022, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 14, 2022, 10:10:20 AM
:grin: :grin:

It will be interesting to see if any politicians step up , as GrannyMac mentioned, many have two homes with brilliant allowances..
The Labour ones seem to be keeping their heads low at the moment.. [2010]

That's because they're shit-scared that someone will ask if any politicians will step up.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: zoony on March 14, 2022, 02:19:09 PM
If there's free money in it the politicians will fill their boots. Nothing surer.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 14, 2022, 03:19:02 PM
Imagine some poor sod fleeing a war zone being billeted with Diane Abbot
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 03:49:09 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 14, 2022, 02:05:09 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/j2LXGbKv/hitchell.png) (https://postimages.org/)

Some truth in that.
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Jacqueline on March 14, 2022, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 12:42:21 PM
Many are students who have paid for the privilege of being there.


Well can't they go back to their homes where they came from?
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Flying Bomb on March 15, 2022, 05:56:42 AM
Will a any royals take in any ?
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 15, 2022, 06:48:00 AM
Quote from: Jacqueline on March 14, 2022, 10:01:51 PM

Well can't they go back to their homes where they came from?

Thats what they are trying to do, as in leave Ukraine. 
Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: Diasi on March 15, 2022, 08:21:45 AM
Quote from: GrannyMac on March 14, 2022, 12:47:04 PM
I've seen no expectation that people will take in refugees. Volunteers were stepping up before money was even mentioned.

Well explain what you think the £350 per month represents if it's not an inducement for people to volunteer?

And can I now assume, safely, that non-Ukranian residents do not have the right to relocate to the UK but should return to the country from whence they entered the Ukraine?

Title: Re: £350 a month to take in Ukrainian refugees
Post by: GrannyMac on March 15, 2022, 10:04:27 AM
Of course £350 might be an inducement to some to volunteer.  Lets just hope the screening works both ways.

The reports I've read suggest that foreign students in Ukraine do want to go home.  Just one of many.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-60603226