in the latest batch of 30,
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-04-12/more-than-30-new-partygate-fines-as-total-government-covid-breaches-exceeds-50
Unsurprisingly...
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer called on the UK's two most powerful politicians to resign, saying the police fines prove they had "broken the law and repeatedly lied to the British public".
"They must both resign," Sir Keir said, "the Conservatives are totally unfit to govern. Britain deserves better".
Not that I expect either will.
Poor Rishi...
An American, an Englishmen and an Indian walked into a pub.
"On your own Mr. Sunak?" asked the barman "Want your usual?"
does anyone think that the 'UK deserves better' would include Starmer?
Mike
We do deserve better, but the Labour party has not been a better alternative for decades.
true, in both respects. This is a pretty poor government, but the alternative.................
The UK public never fail to amaze me, with all the problems, all they're bothered about is a few drinks amongst staff who were already at Number 10 because they work there, which has been spun by the pplice into parties.
Anyway, if the choice is between Boris, who had a drink at a so-called party, or Starmer, who was in charge of the CPS when Savile avoided prosecution, I'll stick with Boris, thank you.
The fixed penalty notices have been paid so that's it.
What next, resign for a traffic offence fixed penalty notice?
P.S. Funny how Starmer, shown with a pint in his hand in a constituency office, wasn't attending a party.
perhaps it is being claimed that Labour isn't a proper party any more
Quote from: Michael Rolls on April 13, 2022, 04:44:25 AM
perhaps it is being claimed that Labour isn't a proper party any more
Lol, good drole reply. :grin:
The Tories should be trawling to see if Starmer has ever had a fixed penalty parking or speeding ticket.
That won't do any good.
Starmer didn't set the speeding rules and isn't in office. The fuss isn't about the offence but that the government set the rules that were said to be broken by the police (very weak in the case of Boris imo) then said many times that no rules were broken. There are supposed to be a lot more party photos so there could be more fines coming.
Politics is all about mud slinging. So for it's more like bogey flicking and missing.
It's not the fact that they had a drink in the workplace, when they were already there, it's the lies. No wonder himself skuddled off to Ukraine to get his pic in the papers doing some good for that Country, when he knew what was coming.
That lot are serial liars, always have been always will be. How dare they break the law then lie about it, they are not above the law and he should lead by example not say to hell with it, and party on.
Would you rather see Starmer in number 10 Raven ? :hmm:
I don't know.
While I do not think Starmer would be a significant change , it would worry me about the company he keeps. The idea of Rayner, Lammy, Abbott and McDonnel being in a position of power is frightening.
I reckon poor Dianne is a busted flush now. The others could maybe still appear on a Labour front bench. It's the fruitcake members being in control of who is leader that is most troubling. It was their votes that put Corbyn in place.
Quote from: Raven on April 13, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
It's not the fact that they had a drink in the workplace, when they were already there, it's the lies. No wonder himself skuddled off to Ukraine to get his pic in the papers doing some good for that Country, when he knew what was coming.
That lot are serial liars, always have been always will be. How dare they break the law then lie about it, they are not above the law and he should lead by example not say to hell with it, and party on.
You don't have to have told a lie to say you've not broken the law when in fact you have.
For example, at the bottom of all benefit claim forms there's a section where a person signs the form as true & correct to their best knowledge.
If, at a later date, the form if found to be incorrect, the person who signed it may have genuinely thought it was correct at the time & no offence has been committed.
If Boris invited 50 people to a party at Number 10 when only he & Carrie were on the premises then they're all going to a party & Boris nows it's a party.
When 50 empoyees are already in Number 10, working, & because it's a nice sunny day someone suggests a few drinks outside on the lawn, I certainly wouldn't have thought I was attending a party so a fixed penalty notice for me.
I wouldn't have lied as I wouldn't have thought I was at a party & I would be entitled to state that I didn't think it was a party at the time I said it wasn't.
For those with little to no understanding of the law it's known as 'guilty knowledge'.
Good explanation Phil. I cannot believe that the media and lefties in general do not know what is in store for them, should they succeed in bringing down the Government, which lets face it, is what it's all about - not just getting Boris sacked.
Perhaps they should focus on the drop in unemployment, or the support for Ukraine. I can't see any reasonable alternative to Boris ATM.
Quote from: GrannyMac on April 13, 2022, 06:16:02 PM
Perhaps they should focus on the drop in unemployment, or the support for Ukraine. I can't see any reasonable alternative to Boris ATM.
That's the problem. Leadership at an any level should be based on the cornerstones of Truth and Integrity. This Government has neither. If there's no reasonable alternative then we really are scewed!
We are screwed.
Johnson's and Sunak are both 'mea culpa' (self admittance) specifically guilty of "imputed knowledge". A consideration Diasi, has herein referred to as "guilty knowledge". The same has been an historic response by the ungodly, who purchase items in 'the pub' having had good reason to believe them stolen, by the ultra cheap price they are tended at?
What a grubby place for our Prime Minister, his spouse and Chancellor to be.
When the house returns I believe there exists a strong case for Johnson to face a vote of no confidence for his misleading parliament again. An offence he has previously been charged with in March '21 over NHS Covid contracts. In the Houses of Parliament, the decision of guilt is democratically decided by the entirely unbiased jury of the ruling majority! Presently Johnson's party possess an 80 odd advantage - hardly an objective congress of decision, in fact a system that encourages ongoing mendacity! If you own the court, it will consistently support you in your subterfuges.
It's not the case in law to consider 'unconnected circumstances' (Covid, Ukraine etc) that are tendentiously presented as mitigation.
For instance pleading not guilty to speeding by way of suggesting your mind was distracted by something else doesn't work.
In conclusive finality we are left with the simple fact that the UK is led by convicted unprincipled liars, only admitting such after a police inquiry charged them.
They also chose to jointly participate with others within this offence. These accompanist felons typically aid the detailed creation of regulatory statutes. Typically these result in sanctions being levied upon citizens found guilty for offences such civil apparatchiks so frivolously disregard as inapplicable to them.
It's the thought process, within the arrogance and hypocrisy of such people thats so disgusting to contemplate.
Hi Cassandra, thanks for a far fuller explanation than I could have given.
What concerns me is the fact that one of the events was a surprise birthday party for Boris which coincided with a meeting in the Cabinet Office.
I would argue that, since the clue lies in the word 'surprise', Boris Johnson wouldn't have known about it otherwise it wouldn't have been a surprise & the word would therefore be redundant.
Rishi Sunak walked into the Cabinet Office to attend a meeting & found himself at an inpromptu birthday celebration, of which he was totally unaware & for which he has been fined.
Had I been at the meeting I certainly wouldn't have considered myself to be at a party.
During my career there were numerous occasions when members of staff would provide refreshments to mark some occasion or other but until it happened I was none the wiser before the event & I certainly didn't consider that we'd had a party in the office.
Anyway, my bottom line is that I don't have time to waste contemplating utter trivia in the current immigration, economic & world events.
Quote from: Diasi on April 14, 2022, 08:16:27 AM
Hi Cassandra, thanks for a far fuller explanation than I could have given.
What concerns me is the fact that one of the events was a surprise birthday party for Boris which coincided with an meeting in the Cabinet Office.
I would argue that, since the clue lies in the word 'surprise', Boris Johnson wouldn't have known about it otherwise it wouldn't have been a surprise & the word would therefore be redundant.
Rishi Sunak walked into the Cabinet Office to attend a meeting & found himself at an inpromptu birthday celebration, of which he was totally unaware & for which he has been fined.
Had I been at the meeting I certainly wouldn't have considered myself to be at a party.
During my career there were numerous occasions when members of staff would provide refreshments to mark some occasion or other but until it happened I was none the wiser before the event & I certainly didn't consider that we'd had a party in the office.
Anyway, my bottom line is that I don't have time to waste contemplating utter trivia in the current immigration, economic & world events.
Afternoon Diasi,
In my opinion whoever is advising the Johnsons and Sunak are absolutely right in recommending a 'guilty' admission, without challenge.
If it were a
surprise party then he should have immediately dismissed this, shall we say
gathering and sent all those therein assembled home, or immediately back to their workstation. The counsel will have explained that this was not just a simple 'Happy Birthday' address in a works canteen for 'Harry Bloke'. It was within the Prime Ministers's formal residence and administrative office.
The very fact that a 'cake' was present therefore suggests aforethought by someone intending to cause an unnecessary and illegal scission of persons to become therein assembled. By co-joining and not rejecting this agglomerate he was therefore supportive to cause a breach of the very legislation the seal of Prime Minister had recently approved.
Sunak is guilty by association in not instructing disassembly.
I believe there will be further prosecutions to come. For me it's a simple judgement of him being palpable of guilt by cognitive participation. This may appear a minor matter to some and I fully understand that viewpoint. To me its just another example of his 'devil may care' insouciance towards the law and his total lack of gravitas and judgement overall.
I've already seen mention of another fixed penalty notice heading Boris's way. Whether that was informed speculation or just made up I don't know. Yet.
I must say that the 10 minute gathering one seemed rather lame given other leaked pictures that have been published.
Quote from: klondike on April 14, 2022, 06:07:00 PM
I've already seen mention of another fixed penalty notice heading Boris's way. Whether that was informed speculation or just made up I don't know. Yet.
I must say that the 10 minute gathering one seemed rather lame given other leaked pictures that have been published.
The so-called birthday party actually lasted 9 minutes, which was the time-gap between two of the numerous meetings held that day in the Cabinet Office & Boris was there waiting for that next meeting.
It was arranged by colleagues to pass on their good wishes to Boris who had recently recovered from a life-threatening bout of Covid.
I thought it was his birthday ?
the more I think about this, the more irritated I get. As a PR exercise -total disaster. OTH - I believe the legislation was intended to prevent folk from gathering together who, without that legislation would have so gathered. These were people who had already been working together - and given the size of most offices, not just in No. 10 - being unlikely to practice social distancing, etc.- all the working day.
Now, the investigation by the Met - who don't exactly have a 100% record of getting things right regarding this legislation - led (however ineffectually) by the wretched Cressida Dock, and answerable to that well known supporter of Boris, one Sadiq Khan - Hmmm?
Mike
The bit I don't like is the continuous lies..
Bare faced lies.. The arrogance of both goes beyond acceptance...
Treating those that vote for them as idiots is not a good look.. and idiots we were.. doing as we were told because they told us to..
The sad thing is there is no better option to lead this country..
Nope.
Reform UK seem to be dredging the bottom of the barrel :grin:
Dear Mark,
Barely a week passes without yet another scandalous story of Westminster sleaze and corruption, involving everything from rule-breaking, tax dodging and inappropriate lobbying to drug-taking and sexual assault.
Even the Conservative-supporting Sunday Times now asks, 'Is this the sleaziest Tory Party yet?'
It's time to replace the sleaze-merchants and careerists who believe in nothing more than their own re-election. We need a new sort of MP, capable men and women who will stand with the people and stand by their principles.
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The rot in Westminster starts at the top. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been fined for rule-breaking in the 'Partygate' scandal, which exposed how Downing Street believed that its punitive lockdown rules were only for the 'little people', not for those in power.
Now Tory Chancellor 'Dishy' Rishi Sunak, the party pin-up touted as Boris's heir, has become mired in scandal. While he imposes tax increases on working people and ignores the crippling cost-of-living crisis, we learn that he did not increase taxes on his wife, who has been living in Downing Street relatively tax-free by enjoying non-dom status.
Quote from: Scrumpy on April 15, 2022, 05:32:42 PM
The bit I don't like is the continuous lies..
Bare faced lies.. The arrogance of both goes beyond acceptance...
Treating those that vote for them as idiots is not a good look.. and idiots we were.. doing as we were told because they told us to..
The sad thing is there is no better option to lead this country..
I was a true Johnson supporter from around twenty years ago, until almost immediately following his achieving the Premiership in 2019.
Flat decorations created doubts, then Lockdown and the refusal to admit the full data results of Covid's exaggerated plandemic convinced me of his flaws and his marriage partner is a hardcore green. This shouldn't effect things, but her past as Zac Goldsmith's assistant reflects in her extreme views on Climate change. Nett-zero's completion date so cunningly reduced without a vote in parliament by a vengeful outgoing T. May in late 2019 is Carrie's
métier. Suggestively it seems influencing her weak willed husband's insistence to grind many pensioners and other state dependent paupers into the dust with their idiotic 25% green tax policy and miserly 3.1% 'benefit' upgrades.
I agree the cupboard is bare for replacement material because they are all largely moulded from the same caste. Career, PPE spad made ups, bereft of empathy and large on selfish arrogance.
Perhaps one for the future could be Steve Baker? The May/Hunt/Truss, remoaner horror club will of course try to ruin his career before he gets a crack at it ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Baker_(politician) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Baker_(politician))
sounds an interesting chap. Very different career path from most politicians
Mike
Quote from: Cassandra on April 15, 2022, 10:10:22 PM
miserly 3.1% 'benefit' upgrades
Seems amazing that at the time the 8% we would have got should the election pledge have been honoured was described as an artificial high caused by the economy recovering from the pandemic.
They are claiming that inflation will be back at "normal" levels next year but even if that pans out (unlikely imo) it doesn't alter the fact that this years price increases will never be reversed, savings devaluation never recovered and state pension and benefit levels never retrospectively bumped to put the future payments at the level they would have been.
Best of a bad lot? Maybe but this shower still does not deserve rewarding with a further term in office IMO.
I believe the mighty dollar, the worlds default currency wii lose that place as it spirals to overprinted decline. The true reason for worldwide inflation. The flight into assets from a currency, 80% of which has been printed in the last two years alone is unavoidably inflationary.
This reflects a declining power that has increasingly exported it's job inflation to China and as a corollary the dependency on such vital products as resistors and micro processors along with it. They don't make much anymore, they import it. It doesn't suit the World Economic Forum to admit this just now, so deflections have 'magically' emerged. Over here, inward bound inflation is running at 11%, manifesting a 15-20% increase already in the shops etc.
Can't help but feel that the Westen economies have shot themsellves in the foot over leaping to embrace cheap Chinese goods
Mike
Shipping costs are taking the gloss off that. The days of the odd cable or other small item for 99p delivered from eBay are gone. I might have to start looking for cables and other odds and sods I know I have somewhere now instead of just having one delivered.