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Title: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: Raven on June 22, 2022, 09:21:36 PM
Just in time for next Winter. Putin's next nasty move.  :angry: Technical Problems he says. Bullshit I say.  :nooo:

BBC News - Europe told to prepare for Russia turning off gas
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-61899509
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: klondike on June 22, 2022, 09:34:23 PM
The biggest loser there will be Germany. 

Will the west decide to dump Ukraine to Putin's tender mercies or provide enough weapons for them to inflict a severe enough defeat on the Russians to cause Putin to fall?
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: Raven on June 23, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
BBC News - Germany takes step closer to gas rationing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61908998
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: Alex on June 23, 2022, 02:00:41 PM
Germany has said coal-fired power plants could plug supply gaps.   I wonder if they now regret shutting down all their nuclear plants ?

 
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: Raven on June 23, 2022, 05:12:49 PM
And I bet the green Brigade will have hysterics over them going back to coal.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: klondike on June 23, 2022, 05:42:11 PM
To think we used to worry over the Red Brigade some decades ago.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: hugh on June 23, 2022, 07:16:54 PM
Cutting off gas very unlikely while he his collecting loads of money off Germany.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: klondike on June 23, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
He wants to stop the sanctions and weapons shipments to Ukraine. It that doesn't happen then he'll be looking at being  a customer here...

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He figures without his gas most of Europe will be there before him. European politicians need to to be more concerned about their citizens welfare than he does. No gas to Germany means those nice Euro generating car factories and plenty more will simply stop.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: Jacqueline on June 23, 2022, 10:48:27 PM
Could we possibly open up our coal mines again for electricity generating, I suppose the cost would be prohibitive?

With all this green business we will all be turning blue with cold this winter.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: klondike on June 23, 2022, 11:25:27 PM
I recall being told by my brother in law (not a miner) that when the pits were closed they would have flooded pretty much immediately. I imagine getting them going again would take an age and cost a fortune. Doubtless we could import miners from overseas to operate them though.......
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: Diasi on June 24, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: klondike on June 23, 2022, 11:25:27 PMI recall being told by my brother in law (not a miner) that when the pits were closed they would have flooded pretty much immediately. I imagine getting them going again would take an age and cost a fortune. Doubtless we could import miners from overseas to operate them though.......


Indeed, it isn't just the mines that we've lost, it's the skilled workforce to run them.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: hugh on June 24, 2022, 11:56:05 AM
With open cast mines if they had any, will not need skilled workers.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: klondike on June 24, 2022, 01:40:25 PM
We don't. Or at least not enough to serve more that the fuel requirement for barbecues according to stuff I found via google.

Green lobbly project fear damaged fracking almost to the point of making it impossible in the face of those believing all the scare stories but I see it as being far more viable (and greener) than looking at restarting coal mining. No underground personel needed at all with that.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: -Oy- on June 24, 2022, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: hugh on June 24, 2022, 11:56:05 AMWith open cast mines if they had any, will not need skilled workers.

Having worked in Opencast mines back in the 80s I can tell you that a lot of skilled work is required.

Lots of excavation, explosives, materials testing, earthworks, pumping, reclamation - etc.

I was a Land Surveyor for before, during and after.
Title: Re: Cutting off the Gas.
Post by: klondike on June 24, 2022, 06:00:03 PM
I think there is a chance that some of those skills remain in the UK as opencast seems to have continued on a small scale but I suspect there is always a battle getting the planning permission for new ones. I doubt there would be enough of the skills left for deep coal mining to start without bringing them in from abroad.