20 years back I bought into the more CO2 is caused by humans and causing climate change pronouncements. These days I'm a lot less sure. That less sure is made even less sure as the temperature has stubbornly failed to follow the science. Bit like the covid reality stubbornly failed to follow SAGE predictions.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/07/when-is-a-scientist-not-really-a-scientist-when-hes-a-post-normal-scientist/
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You'll need to read it to get more than this little extract...
The arrogance of this view is vividly on show in a recent article written by past IPCC lead author Bruce Glavovic. He is a professor at the School of People, Environment and Planning at Massey University, and his article called for a climate research strike. Governments are said to have agreed since 1972 that the "science is settled" – an interesting take, since that date was actually the start of the once fashionable global cooling scare. He added: "For climate change, the science-society contract is broken. The failure to arrest global warming is an indictment on successive governments and political leaders of all persuasions."
Global warming has in fact 'been arrested', with the trend running out of steam for about two decades and a current 88-month standstill in progress. And, of course, temperatures have risen by just over 1°C since 1800, seemingly without any catastrophic consequences. In fact, many scientists point to numerous beneficial effects. Far fewer people die of heat than cold, and slightly warmer growing conditions, not to mention extra CO2, which helps crops grow, has helped alleviate famine in many parts of the world.
I think a better title would be Man-made Climate Change Denial as climate change has always existed.
I've never bought into it, far too much evidence, which the green lobby try to suppress, from the Arctic / Antarctic core samples, which show that climate change is a natural cyclical occurance, with huge swings in change.
Absolutely. 250,000 years ago, our atmosphere was far more polluted than it is now due to volcanic activity. Even 140 years ago, the mini- ice age froze the Thames to the extent that I have seen a photo of an ox being roasted on the ice at Kingston on Thames
Mike
Quote from: Diasi on March 08, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
I think a better title would be Man-made Climate Change Denial as climate change has always existed.
Your wish is granted.
I see there is a group targeting SUVs by letting down all the tyres. Saying that these cars are responsible for this that and the next thing. They are determined to attack any that are not in rural areas.
Not going to do much good, may just earn them a smack if the owners catch up with them.
BBC News - Tyre Extinguishers: Scores of SUVs have tyres deflated by activists
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60660711
Quote from: Michael Rolls on March 08, 2022, 11:57:52 AM
Absolutely. 250,000 years ago, our atmosphere was far more polluted than it is now due to volcanic activity. Even 140 years ago, the mini- ice age froze the Thames to the extent that I have seen a photo of an ox being roasted on the ice at Kingston on Thames
Mike
What are you thinking about Mike? The mini ice-age was 17th/18th century.. There are illustrations of an ox-roast but definitely no photographs! :grin:
Quote from: zoony on March 08, 2022, 04:24:00 PM
What are you thinking about Mike? The mini ice-age was 17th/18th century.. There are illustrations of an ox-roast but definitely no photographs! :grin:
Yes there are. Another mini ice age end of 19th century. The pictures are in the Kingston library for all to see. The Thames was frozen from bank to bank, with folk skating, the ox roast, etc
Mike
Hard to find the right stuff.. This was an ox-roast but it's near the river rather than on it..
https://www.heritage-images.com/preview/1231955
Quote from: zoony on March 08, 2022, 05:41:41 PM
it's near the river rather than on it..
Makes sense....
I've looked for photos and found only paintings and drawings. This says the last frost fair was 1814 and Google says the oldest surviving photograph of anything dates to 1826.
https://exploring-london.com/2014/03/18/a-moment-in-londons-history-when-the-last-frost-fair-was-held-on-the-thames/
Still doesn't alter the fact that "The Science" was predicting an ice age was coming sometime back it the 70s iirc.
Why should it be on Google? Not everything is, and I have actually seen the photos. The library had quite a collection of photos of old Kingston. Another one showed the cattle market, which was huge. Doubt that is on Google, either
Mike
I don't doubt that you have seen photos depicting a frost fair in the library. The question in my mind is whether they were photos of the scene or photos of drawings/paintings of one. Google is pretty specific on the date of the oldest known surviving photo and the Exploring London on when the last Frost Fair took place.
They were actual photos of old Kingston. Why do you doubt me? In addition to those I mentioned there were photos of local characters. One I remember was of a rat catcher, holding several dead rodents. Very noticeable was the way he had tied string round his trouser legs for protection.
Google is NOT infallible
Mike
Oh, a d I saw those photos about 50 years ago. For all I know the collection may be long gone
Mike
i remember my grandfather telling about an amazing friend he lost while iceskating on the river Clyde at Bothwell Bridge, the ice gave and he vannished into the fast water under the ice... this might have been in the early 1900's
Quote from: crabbyob on March 09, 2022, 12:02:23 PM
i remember my grandfather telling about an amazing friend he lost while iceskating on the river Clyde at Bothwell Bridge, the ice gave and he vannished into the fast water under the ice... this might have been in the early 1900's
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So if, as many claim, this warming is natural and not man made and
we cannot stop it, then maybe within 100 years or so only Cockroaches will roam
the Earth feeding on human remains.
That's a lovely thought for a Wednesday morning FB :yahoo:
Actually, the human form can cope with a wide temperature range. Compare African folk with Eskimos
Mike
Quote from: Michael Rolls on March 09, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
Actually, the human form can cope with a wide temperature range. Compare African folk with Eskimos
Mike
There are limits.
Mankind cannot survive in ever increasing temperature.
I wish to be reincarnated as a Cockroach ! :-)
Quote from: Flying Bomb on March 09, 2022, 02:38:20 PM
There are limits.
Mankind cannot survive in ever increasing temperature.
I wish to be reincarnated as a Cockroach ! :-)
So move to somewhere cooler - but it would need an enormous charge for that to be needed
Mike
I haven't actually kept track but the article says that for some time now the temperature increase has actually stopped. May just be made up. I have no idea if it is or not but I am pretty sure that the Green Lobby would suppress the news as best they could if it is.
Maybe so but they can't hide the truth from Google.. :grin: