The Labour leader is off to Paris next week to meet up with Macron at the Elysee Palace. Macron must be so pleased to welcome a pro EU British MP to France.
Quote from: Alex on September 13, 2023, 03:44:47 PMThe Labour leader is off to Paris next week to meet up with Macron at the Elysee Palace. Macron must be so pleased to welcome a pro EU British MP to France.
We'll be back in the EU within a couple of years of Labour taking power.
I don't see that happening. There are a majority think it was a mistake leaving though. I see the mistake as trusting our government to do what we voted for.
Quote from: Diasi on September 13, 2023, 04:16:15 PMWe'll be back in the EU within a couple of years of Labour taking power.
I feel thats what the toolmaker father's product would like because he sure knows how to grovel! I reckon it'll take a couple of terms. Say 8 years when many of us are gone. Then the bright young things will eventually prioritise both the Euro and Schenigan to go abroad with and get properly pissed. Avoiding the nuisance of currency changes, closed borders or mobile phone 'roaming charges'. You know really important things!
Who cares?
If I'm still around in 8 years I'll care. Not that I'll be able to do anything about it.
Mind you you are assuming that the EU will still be around in 8 years. Considering the problems the Euro has that isn't a given.
I agree that Labour might have another referendum in the forseeable future and this time the reamainers will win. After that, we all know once you're in it's for good. But just a thought; were the Brexit promises intentionally broken to cause the mess we're now in? May, Boris and Truss were all pro-EU, what else did we expect?
I'm also with those who think the EU will eventually collapse of its own accord leaving a terrible mess in its wake. The Social engineering of people or societies never lasts and I don't think this attempt will either.
Boris was NOT pro-EU
Quote from: Weapons Grade on September 13, 2023, 05:51:25 PMI agree that Labour might have another referendum in the forseeable future and this time the reamainers will win. After that, we all know once you're in it's for good. But just a thought; were the Brexit promises intentionally broken to cause the mess we're now in? May, Boris and Truss were all pro-EU, what else did we expect?
I'm also with those who think the EU will eventually collapse of its own accord leaving a terrible mess in its wake. The Social engineering of people or societies never lasts and I don't think this attempt will either.
The people voted to leave the EU.
The politicians didn't like the way the vote went.
The consequence: we ended up only half-out, still effectively under some of the EU's laws.
If Labour get in next time and attempt to get us back into the EU, in we shall go.
Will the people be happy? I doubt it.
Will the EU rejoice? I doubt that too, as their economy is already sinking and some member states are less than happy.
In fact, the EU might well fall apart.
Here's hoping!
one can but hope
I would love to see the end of it.
Bit like a movie - character hanging on in their death bed for news of a long awaited event. News comes. Character expires either just before or just after. I'd like while after but the fallout will be bad so maybe not too long.
Ffs. Do we really have to go through endless reporting about a new referendum, split political parties, the usual "expert" journalists discussing the views of other "expert" journalists who allegedly had private conversations with other expert journalists, who themselves got an impression from the ex partner of someone who might have known the retired nanny of an MP??
All in all, I suspect the cost of reporting the last debacle and the subsequent, er, debacle was more than we'd have actually saved had we done eff all.
Starmer has now stated he will do a deal with the EU to take in a quota of illegals from mainland Europe. I'm just wondering how can it make sense to take in a quta of 100,000 (alleged figure) when we're struggling to house the 40,000 already arriving. I never could add up at school, but it looks like we'll send them back 40,000 and they'll send us 100,000 :rolleyes: So Brussels will decide who and how many we get ? :angry:
surprised?
Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2023, 04:07:21 PMStarmer has now stated he will do a deal with the EU to take in a quota of illegals from mainland Europe. I'm just wondering how can it make sense to take in a quta of 100,000 (alleged figure) when we're struggling to house the 40,000 already arriving. I never could add up at school, but it looks like we'll send them back 40,000 and they'll send us 100,000 :rolleyes: So Brussels will decide who and how many we get ? :angry:
That will be Starmer's downfall.. Many voters will not accept that..
a disgrace
Quote from: Scrumpy on September 14, 2023, 04:22:55 PMThat will be Starmer's downfall.. Many voters will not accept that..
It will only lower his majority. A great shame imo as a big one would stand a chance of wiping out both of the major parties. Not a good one but at least a chance. A flip to Labour with a modest majority just means we'll be stuck in the same old mould.
Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2023, 04:07:21 PMStarmer has now stated he will do a deal with the EU to take in a quota of illegals from mainland Europe. I'm just wondering how can it make sense to take in a quta of 100,000 (alleged figure) when we're struggling to house the 40,000 already arriving. I never could add up at school, but it looks like we'll send them back 40,000 and they'll send us 100,000 :rolleyes: So Brussels will decide who and how many we get ? :angry:
This is what I predicted in my post #1, we might not officially be a full member at this stage but we will in all but name.
The agreement isn't just about accepting a certain number, we'll have to contribute to all the EU immigration control expenditure.
That's what Starmer isn't telling you.
I reckon the Tories are going to be signing us up to shed loads of extra Indians before Starmer gets his turn to screw us all over though.
Quote from: klondike on September 14, 2023, 04:27:35 PMIt will only lower his majority. A great shame imo as a big one would stand a chance of wiping out both of the major parties. Not a good one but at least a chance. A flip to Labour with a modest majority just means we'll be stuck in the same old mould.
Yes. I'm afraid you're right.
As I've said before, it seems that the people of Britain see there being only two options in our general elections: Labour and Conservative.
As far as I'm concerned, both of them are virtually the same in all respects other than their names. Consequently, whichever forms the next government, nothing is going to change.
I wish more people would think about it and realise that whichever of the two they vote for, the result will be nobody's fault but their own! :rolleyes:
(https://i.postimg.cc/6qzwMb2w/Europol.webp)
Today YvetteCooper and I met with Europol Executive Director Catherine De Bolle to set out Labour's plan to smash the criminal smuggling gangs.
I wonder why he didn't take " Ange " :grin:
I still can't work out why they all say crossing the channel in a dinghy is dangerous. Thousands have made the trip and only a handful have died. OK it isn't 100% safe but nothing is. The vast majority get escorted to our waters then get given a lift.
It's dangerous because they might stub their toes on some shingle when they disembark.