Welcome Weapons Grade, another Trump supporter here - apart from the hair :grin: :grin: :grin:
That has its own support structure... :grin:
Quote from: Alex on September 08, 2023, 11:21:53 AMWelcome Weapons Grade, another Trump supporter here - apart from the hair :grin: :grin: :grin:
Oh come on Alex, you can't support people like Trump or Boris. Trump is in court for corruption and racketeering, his whole family are under investigation and Boris has been fired or resigned from every job he's had. These people are figures of fun, misfits, and could only come to power in already stupefied societies. :smiley:
It is odd how Trump's indictments seem to arrive just after more evidence of the Biden crime family gets exposed though.. :grin:
Being in Trumps cabinet was an almost guarantee of ending up in court. The problem was that as a sitting president he couldn't be indicted, which is probably why he's so eager to get elected again so he can sort it all out from within, so to speak. It's not just Trump, his whole family are under investigation. Trump is a one man crime syndicate.
Biden will go the same way if he lives long enough and his son is also in hot water for his wheeling and dealing in the Ukraine. It's America, it's to be expected.
Quote from: Weapons Grade on September 08, 2023, 12:02:38 PMOh come on Alex, you can't support people like Trump or Boris. Trump is in court for corruption and racketeering, his whole family are under investigation and Boris has been fired or resigned from every job he's had. These people are figures of fun, misfits, and could only come to power in already stupefied societies. :smiley:
But ours is a stupefied society.
I'd love for Trump to stand for our PM.
Of course he isn't British, but he does own a golf course in Scotland.
Quote from: Weapons Grade on September 08, 2023, 09:58:17 AMI'm not sure how many times a year you can go, but I think you have to spend half the year resident in Britain itself, don't quote me on that though.
This mass immigration doesn't exist outside the west. You can't just turn up somewhere and demand to stay and be clothed, fed and housed by the state. You'll be locked up in some mangy deportation center for a few months and deported. Let's be honest, if we didn't have a welfare state who would bother coming here? The vast majority coming into the UK now are not political asylum seekers, they're economic migrants.
Thanks again.
I reckon that no more than 1% are genuine asylum seekers, & as you say, they only come to Western countries because they know the other countries would give them the big fuck off.
Quote from: Diasi on September 08, 2023, 04:36:13 PMThanks again.
I reckon that no more than 1% are genuine asylum seekers, & as you say, they only come to Western countries because they know the other countries would give them the big fuck off.
I can't say I blame the immigrants. Many have come from third world countries and this is like heaven for them. It's the politicians who let them in. This is what happens when we put our trust in politicians. The same politicians that dragged us into the EU with treaties and broke the Brexit promises.
Now we're going to be flooded with Ukrainians and they will be our next gig economy minimum wage labour force. Most of the jobs for low skilled workers in the big companies in my area are dependent on minimum wage immigrants.
Quote from: Weapons Grade on September 08, 2023, 12:02:38 PMOh come on Alex, you can't support people like Trump or Boris. Trump is in court for corruption and racketeering, his whole family are under investigation and Boris has been fired or resigned from every job he's had. These people are figures of fun, misfits, and could only come to power in already stupefied societies. :smiley:
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Were all entitled to our opinion and I disagree entirely with yours.
Quote from: Alex on September 09, 2023, 10:31:01 AMQuote from: Weapons Grade on September 08, 2023, 12:02:38 PMOh come on Alex, you can't support people like Trump or Boris. Trump is in court for corruption and racketeering, his whole family are under investigation and Boris has been fired or resigned from every job he's had. These people are figures of fun, misfits, and could only come to power in already stupefied societies. :smiley:
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Were all entitled to our opinion and I disagree entirely with yours.
What part of what I said is wrong, simply my opinion or that you disagree with?
Quote from: Weapons Grade on September 08, 2023, 12:02:38 PMOh come on Alex, you can't support people like Trump or Boris. Trump is in court for corruption and racketeering, his whole family are under investigation and Boris has been fired or resigned from every job he's had. These people are figures of fun, misfits, and could only come to power in already stupefied societies. :smiley:
True, we can't support Trump.
As for Boris, at one time I liked him, but he became very much like all the PMs we have had since Maggie: bumbling fools.
We now have a choice of more Conservatives, more Labour like Bliar, or stick our necks out and vote for a completely new right-wing party.
Unless I'm mistaken, I don't remember reading anything from you regarding who you would vote for.
Why not tell us?
Quote from: JBR on September 09, 2023, 11:32:32 AMTrue, we can't support Trump.
As for Boris, at one time I liked him, but he became very much like all the PMs we have had since Maggie: bumbling fools.
We now have a choice of more Conservatives, more Labour like Bliar, or stick our necks out and vote for a completely new right-wing party.
Unless I'm mistaken, I don't remember reading anything from you regarding who you would vote for.
Why not tell us?
This is about the nearest I can get to what Boris actually is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGebkfDNh-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGebkfDNh-I)
It wasn't a secret, anyone who bothered to find out what Boris was shouldn't have been surprised at another resignation as PM.
I'm not keen on either extreme of ''right wing'' or ''left wing.'' I'd rather have a party that has ideas and is prepared to stick to them. Not a woke party v a corrupt one.
I've said elsewhere on here I wouldn't vote for any of them, including 'Reform' which is simply a repeat of the Brexit promises. We all know nothing will change, so why bother playing along and pretending we're voting for anything but promises that we already know won't be kept.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder what would happen if the whole country refused to vote. :smiley:
Quote from: Raven on September 09, 2023, 12:44:06 PMJust out of curiosity, I wonder what would happen if the whole country refused to vote. :smiley:
That would be a wonderful idea.
At least my local Reform candidate would win, as he'd have my vote.
As the only candidate anyone has voted for, he'd logically become a prime minister all on his own.
No opposition to argue with him; no untrustworthy colleagues to do the dirty on him.
I suppose he'd have to work very hard in supervising all the civil service departments, but without any opposition he'd be able to pass any law he wants to.
I prefer explanations to soundbites and haven't yet swopped reality for beliefs. Sometimes that doesn't go down well with the faithful, but here's my take on it. It's not going to get better, it's going to get a lot worse. It will get better when a million people come out into the streets and force whichever government is in charge into action.
Once upon a time we had people like Thatcher, or Benn. Strong minded people with ideas whether you agreed with them or not. Socialism v laissez-faire capitalism.
Now long gone and replaced by Rishi (under investigation and not for the first time) who as Chancellor under Boris is largely responsible for the present mess we're in. A bland mediocre character who gets beaten up every time he opens his mouth (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/06/rishgpt-recycles-old-soundbites-as-last-vestiges-of-credibility-crumble)! Still, better than Truss who was so incompetent the Bank of England had to step in and she fortunately lasted less than two months.
Rishi's five promises.
"I fully expect you to hold my government and I to account on delivering those goals" – Sunak, January 4, 2023.
1.Halve inflation.
2.Grow the economy.
3.Reduce debt.
4.Cut [NHS] waiting lists.
5.Stop the boats.
Every promise a porky and the chances of it happening?
And Labour. One look at their five point mission statement makes you want to cover your ears and try to escape the rabbit hole you've fallen into.
1.Sustain the highest growth rate in G7.
2.Make Britain a clean energy superpower.
3.Build an NHS fit for the furture.
4.Make Britains streets safe.
5.Break down barriers to opportunity.
And how will all this be achieved? Well, they don't actually say, it's another one of those 'honestly, we wouldn't lie to you' promises.
The Reform Party.
''Let's make Britain great'' echoing Trump's ''Make America great again.'' Not even original.
Take Nigel and Boris' Brexit promises, recycle them and pretend you've just thought of it.
1.Lower taxes.
2.Secure borders.
3.Cheaper energy.
4.Zero [NHS] waiting lists.
Where have I heard all that before (stifles a yawn). Oh yes, same as the other two mainstream parties. If the Reform Party ever took off it would be quickly taken over by the present narcissistic and corrupt lot we have running the country now. Just as Brexit was, that's guaranteed.
It's why I refuse to vote for any of this. Cromwell had the right idea.
''Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!'' britpolitics.co.uk, Oliver Cromwell – April 20, 1653.
Interesting read..
But very few listen, Scrumpy. Too many are content to go along with the flow and it's why we're in the mess we're in. The politicians ran rings around us. You know, the ones who tell us they can change the earth's climate, find a mythical green energy source, stop illegal immigration ... Psychopaths who look us in the eyes and grow rich on our trust and gullibility.
I wrote that over a cup of tea. Basic stuff, but you know why there was no engagement? Because it wasn't mainstream. I didn't say Conservatives would do this or Labour would do that and it threw the people who have come to rely on promises, but the little boy in Andersen's 'The Emperor has no Clothes' explained to them they're being taken for a ride.
Maybe I'll do a short piece on Russia which I suspect will get either silence or shrieks of outrage. I doubt anyone will question the content, they will throw abuse at the poster for daring to go against a one sided western narrative, because that's all they know.
One thing I learned from my years in China is don't try to convince the indoctrinated, even with facts. I say what I say and it's up to people to make their own minds up. :smiley:
Why haven't you stood for office?
There's an old saying that fits the bill there. It starts off - Those who can do......
Well, quite.
Personally, and paradoxically,I've only ever had one fixed position in that one shouldn't have fixed positions. There is a logic to that.
But, at any moment in time and in relation to the concept of voting, it is my view that one should take a punt on the best prevailing argument at the time and vote accordingly.
Abdication of one's vote is of no value whatsoever, again IMHO.
If it's a serious question, I'm not back in the UK by choice but circumstances. I packed my bags like millions of others and left. Like them, I could see years ago where all this was going. But enough of me, I'm just a small cog in a big wheel like everyone else. I'm not alone, just reading through the posts no one is happy. I just mention why.
Those who can do ... Do, say and explain it. Those who can't remain silent or don't. :smiley:
Quote from: dextrous63 on September 12, 2023, 09:49:11 PMWhy haven't you stood for office?
I know your reply was to Weapons Grade but it applies to me as well.
Personally I would have liked to be a local councillor but I would have had to stand as an independent as I wouldn't make a load of election promises that I couldn't keep because of having to tow the Party line.
Also I am realistic enough to know that my approach at the hustings would not endear me to the local electorate when I told my rivals to stop spouting utter shite & lies when I knew they were.
As for being an MP, I'd be TV viewing figures gold for the brief time I was in the House before I was barred.
I doubt that 'The Right Honourable Wanker' would be allowed.
Quote from: Weapons Grade on September 13, 2023, 08:16:08 AMThose who can do ... Do, say and explain it.
The original gets paraphrased these days and I though it was well known.
(https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/g/georgebernardshaw/109538/georgebernardshaw1-2x.jpg)
What a great saying.. Never heard it before..
Quote from: Diasi on September 13, 2023, 08:48:46 AMI know your reply was to Weapons Grade but it applies to me as well.
Personally I would have liked to be a local councillor but I would have had to stand as an independent as I wouldn't make a load of election promises that I couldn't keep because of having to tow the Party line.
Also I am realistic enough to know that my approach at the hustings would not endear me to the local electorate when I told my rivals to stop spouting utter shite & lies when I knew they were.
As for being an MP, I'd be TV viewing figures gold for the brief time I was in the House before I was barred.
I doubt that 'The Right Honourable Wanker' would be allowed.
Independents won't make a difference. We're a two party country and individually could only make a difference at a local level.
My manifesto:
Increase state pensions to ridiculous levels.
Ban the Conservative Party as a domestic terrorist organization.
Issue ASBO's to front bench ministers keeping them away from parliament.
Make the position of MP voluntary work.
An inquiry into how Boris amassed a fortune of £86 million during his three years as PM.
Support Capt. Gatso and the blade runners in their fight against ULEZ. :smiley:
Quote from: klondike on September 13, 2023, 09:10:00 AMThe original gets paraphrased these days and I though it was well known.
(https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/g/georgebernardshaw/109538/georgebernardshaw1-2x.jpg)
That has actually been extended.
"Those who can, do
Those who can't, teach
Those who can't teach, teach teachers."
(Heard frequently at teacher training colleges)
Quote from: Scrumpy on September 13, 2023, 09:18:19 AMWhat a great saying.. Never heard it before..
I have lived by the saying for many years - and I never taught!
I gave some courses when I worked for a software company. I absolutely hated it.
Quote from: klondike on September 13, 2023, 10:01:05 PMI gave some courses when I worked for a software company. I absolutely hated it.
Blimey, yes!! I can relate to that.
I was tasked with doing the investigation talks for staff training courses & I was never very comfortable but the attendees seemed to like me & a half hour slot gradually got increased to a couple of hours.
I used to start off the course by asking for a marker board pen, I then took the cap off, sniffed it & said I never use the marker board but I love the smell of the marker board pens.
Lol, that broke the ice & they all joined in, but I did have a wealth of interesting things to tell them.
They weren't courses that I had written they were pre prepared and I just had to present the material. They were usually a day or more long to paying ciustomers and you couldn't go over timewise so there wasn't a huge amount of time available for diversions without scrimping on what had to be taught. Obviously I had to take a course on giving courses first too. :grin:
I'll bet that the stuff that you two "non-pro's" (in terms of teaching) presented was a darn sight more interesting and engaging than the shite presented by time served ex-classroom teachers (for good reason) that we had to sit through.
Quote from: dextrous63 on September 13, 2023, 11:22:47 PMI'll bet that the stuff that you two "non-pro's" (in terms of teaching) presented was a darn sight more interesting and engaging than the shite presented by time served ex-classroom teachers (for good reason) that we had to sit through.
That comment doesn't sound very polite, does it. I've said it previously, if you have something to say it, let us all read it instead of hiding anonymously behind your keyboared poster attacking.
Er, I think I said it. Complementing Diasi and Klondike, and reflecting on the god knows how many hours of drivel I've had to sit through listening to ex-classroom teachers.