A seagull stole Bert's chips as he stood on Morecambe Bay
With bag firmly gripped in beak the buggar flew away
Bert stood paralysed, hand hovering in mid air

 'Livin' on a Prayer'.      Bon Jovi

Once again, thanks Cassandra for such a well-informed expansion of my post.

I love your graphic description of the assault & repercussions thereof in the underpass.

It almost sounds as though you were taking the piss out of the prosecution team.

Lol 

Why can't people see this?
The major issue is that Muslims ( especially those who support radical Islam  ) largely don't integrate with their host society, not just in the UK, but every where.
It will  lead to a major change in the culture and laws of the UK.

Grandson was playing rugby at the Wirral this morning. I've been dog sitting so his parents could go and support the team, and they won! Granddaughter works Sundays, so it's just been me and the dogs, sitting in the sun.

I really should read these threads more carefully. Another memorable comment somehow missed. 

Quote from: muddy on Today at 03:56:10 PMBritish Islamic scholar Anjem Chaudary calls for the abolition of secular democracy and the implementation of Islamic Shariah law in the United Kingdom



https://x.com/ManishPangotra5/status/1786996255484506444

I can't believe the nerve of them.
I have, of course, been predicting this for years, but for one of them to openly state that that is their intention comes as quite a shock.

To give them their due, they're not stupid.  Although they are still a minority in this country, they are encouraged by people like Khan who assumes that he has ultimate control of Londonistan and the Metropolitan Police, and also by other muslims who have risen to power in other areas of what used to be our country.
They must also be encouraged by all the white people who protest every weekend about Israel defending its country from terrorists, and actively supporting the terrorists.

This statement of his should really send a clear message to all the (non-muslim) people of Britain who surely should be aware of how a muslim government (or dictatorship) operates in other countries.  Look at what happened when they took control of Persia.  That could be us next due to our stupidity.

British Islamic scholar Anjem Chaudary calls for the abolition of secular democracy and the implementation of Islamic Shariah law in the United Kingdom



https://x.com/ManishPangotra5/status/1786996255484506444

Quote from: Diasi on Yesterday at 07:17:46 PMThanks Cassandra for expanding on this.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that you can use force, including lethal force, if an intruder leads you to believe that they are armed even if they turn out not to be, under the CPS rules of not having to wait to be actually attacked.

It must be quite refreshing to now live in a country where you don't have to stand placidly while an intruder attacks you or risk a life sentence if you protect yourself.

There are many cases of precedence referring to the application of 'Reasonable Force' for example and to answer your question on validity to self defence and pre-emption:

It is not absolutely necessary that the defendant be attacked first. As Lord Griffith said in Beckford v R [1988] AC 130: "A man about to be attacked does not have to wait for his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot; circumstances may justify a pre-emptive strike."

However there has to be a time to 'cease hostilities'. For example belabouring the body of an already unconscious person, thereby inflicting 'unnecessary  force', resulting in further injury than was required.

In the case of Court of Appeal in N. Ireland in Fegan [1972] NI 80, the appeal court established that the possession of a firearm for the purpose of protecting the possessor may be possession for a lawful object, even though the possession was unlawful, being without a licence. (Applicable of course to Tony Martin!)

On these circumstantial occurrences Lord Lane CJ wisely said in another trial:

'There is no question of a person in danger of attack "writing his own immunity" for violent future acts of his. He is not confined for his remedy to calling in the police or boarding up his premises. He may still arm himself for his own protection, if the exigency arises, although in so doing he may commit other offences. That he may be guilty of other offences will avoid the risk of anarchy contemplated by the Reference.'

In other words don't manufacture your own  justifications for murder.

I once defended a retired professional heavy weight boxer. During an attack on him and his wife by two armed muggers in an unlit underpass, he'd already been stabbed by the principal assailant. He hit this man once and this blow resulted in him striking  the wall a foot behind him fracturing is skull and dying from the resultant injuries. Regina argued he'd used excessive force and that he was dead before his head hit the wall. I established that forensic evidence suggested differently and pointed out to the jury that the defendant had not selected a confined unlit pedestrian underpass rather than a padded arena for this assault. Furthermore having already lost a deal of blood, adrenalinic boost had set in and nature had to ensure that the attacker was negated: and he could not be held responsible for the surrounding geometry of the ungodly's choice of attack siting. We won and the case was collapsed by the Crown with a handsome reward of costs. The Beak said privately to Counsels afterwards that the DPP should never have prosecuted. How right.

Whilst of course finding any violence sad, I feel re-assured to legally have a variety of firearms at my disposal in today's world. For example I always keep the two derringers I own in the cars (as do many people out here, whether they admit it or not). Having defended many killers of all criterion in my lifetime and been severely shot myself once, I know which environ I'd now rather live in. Of course I'm an extreme profile  historically, but reading and talking to old friends residing in the heart of London still I'm relieved I no longer live in a City I once treasured.

Quote from: dextrous63 on April 27, 2024, 06:06:34 AMHe has "presence", in the same way that a dog turd has a "presence" on a clean pavement.

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